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If x and y are integers and xy ≠ 0, is x  y > 0 ? (1) x/y < 1/2 (2) \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\) and \(\sqrt{y^2}=y\) Why I alone isn't sufficient , since x/y <1/2 => x<y/2 .. As X is even less than half of Y so X can't be greater than Y
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Originally posted by shrive555 on 27 Oct 2010, 18:38.
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shrive555 wrote: If x and y are integers and xy ≠ 0, is x  y > 0 ?
1  x/y <1/2
2 sqr X^2 = X and sqr Y^2 = Y
Why I alone isn't sufficient , since x/y <1/2 => x<y/2 .. As X is even less than half of Y so X can't be greater than Y Question: is \(x>y\)? (1) \(\frac{x}{y}<\frac{1}{2}\) > if both \(x\) and \(y\) are positive (for example 1 and 3 respectively) then \(x<y\) and the answer to the question is NO but if \(x\) and \(y\) are both negative (for example 1 and 3 respectively) then \(x>y\) and the answer to the question is YES. Not sufficient. (2) \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\) and \(\sqrt{y^2}=y\) > both \(x\) and \(y\) are positive (as square root function can not give negative result and we know that neither of unknown is zero), but we don't know whether \(x>y\). Not sufficient. (1)+(2) From (2) both \(x\) and \(y\) are positive so from (1) \(x<y\) and the answer to the question is NO. Sufficient. Answer: C. As for your solution: red part is not correct. You can not multiply inequality by y as you don't know the sign of it. Never multiply or reduce inequality by an unknown (a variable) unless you are sure of its sign since you do not know whether you must flip the sign of the inequality.Hope it helps.
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....Great Point to remember !!! +2
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Really good one Bunuel... thanks
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x and y are nonzero integers. Is x > y? 1. x/y < 1/2 > x = 1 , y = 8, NO. x = 1, y = 8, YES. 2. x = x and y = y; x and y are both positive. but x > y and x < y possible. Remember Sqrt(x^2) = x and NOT x.
Combining, x and y are positive and x < y/2 => x < y.
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shrive555 wrote: If x and y are integers and xy ≠ 0, is x  y > 0 ?
(1) x/y < 1/2 (2) \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\)
Why I alone isn't sufficient , since x/y <1/2 => x<y/2 .. As X is even less than half of Y so X can't be greater than Y Please note some how statement 2 has been edited , part of statement 2 is missing, \(sqrt (y^2) = y\), should be there. The question as given now , gives answer as E. Hope concerned persons will look into this. Thank you.
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stne wrote: shrive555 wrote: If x and y are integers and xy ≠ 0, is x  y > 0 ?
(1) x/y < 1/2 (2) \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\)
Why I alone isn't sufficient , since x/y <1/2 => x<y/2 .. As X is even less than half of Y so X can't be greater than Y Please note some how statement 2 has been edited , part of statement 2 is missing, \(sqrt (y^2) = y\), should be there. The question as given now , gives answer as E. Hope concerned persons will look into this. Thank you. Hi Stne, We do not really need \(sqrt (y^2) = y\) because if \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\) is true, x is positive and as x/y < 1/2 => 2x < y Hence as y is greater than 2x, it has to be positive. * press Kudos if you like the post!



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Re: If x and y are integers and xy 0, is x  y > 0 ? [#permalink]
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ricsingh wrote: stne wrote: shrive555 wrote: If x and y are integers and xy ≠ 0, is x  y > 0 ?
(1) x/y < 1/2 (2) \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\)
Why I alone isn't sufficient , since x/y <1/2 => x<y/2 .. As X is even less than half of Y so X can't be greater than Y Please note some how statement 2 has been edited , part of statement 2 is missing, \(sqrt (y^2) = y\), should be there. The question as given now , gives answer as E. Hope concerned persons will look into this. Thank you. Hi Stne, We do not really need \(sqrt (y^2) = y\) because if \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\) is true, x is positive and as x/y < 1/2 => 2x < y Hence as y is greater than 2x, it has to be positive. * press Kudos if you like the post!You cannot cross multiply in inequality without knowing the signs of x and y , you can cross multiply only when you know that the signs are positive if the question does not have \(sqrt (y^2) = y\) then y need not necessarily be positive consider x=1 and y = 3 this satisfies both the statement and the answer is no consider x= 1 and y = 3 this satisfies both the statements and the answer is yes as you can see, Y has to be positive for the answer to be c . Hence question should be corrected, as in the present format, answer is E Hope it helps , let me know if there is anything still unclear.
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stne wrote: ricsingh wrote: shrive555 wrote: If x and y are integers and xy ≠ 0, is x  y > 0 ?
(1) x/y < 1/2 (2) \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\)
Why I alone isn't sufficient , since x/y <1/2 => x<y/2 .. As X is even less than half of Y so X can't be greater than Y Please note some how statement 2 has been edited , part of statement 2 is missing, \(sqrt (y^2) = y\), should be there. The question as given now , gives answer as E. Hope concerned persons will look into this. Thank you. Hi Stne, We do not really need \(sqrt (y^2) = y\) because if \(\sqrt{x^2}=x\) is true, x is positive and as x/y < 1/2 => 2x < y Hence as y is greater than 2x, it has to be positive. * press Kudos if you like the post!You cannot cross multiply in inequality without knowing the signs of x and y , you can cross multiply only when you know that the signs are positive if the question does not have \(sqrt (y^2) = y\) then y need not necessarily be positive consider x=1 and y = 3 this satisfies both the statement and the answer is no consider x= 1 and y = 3 this satisfies both the statements and the answer is yes as you can see, Y has to be positive for the answer to be c . Hence question should be corrected, as in the present format, answer is E Hope it helps , let me know if there is anything still unclear.[/quote] But, incase y is negative: x y will always be greater than 0, given x is positive and x & y are nonzero integers. For example 1 (3) > 0 *press Kudos if you like the post!



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Hi Ricsingh, x= 1 and y = 3 what is xy ? its 2 so is x y >0 answer No. x=1 and y = 3 what is x y ? its 4 so is xy >0 answer yes So what is the confusion? we have two different answers if \(sqrt(y^2)= y\) is not given. So it is very important to mention that Y is positive. Hope this will help, if any thing is still unclear .let me know
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stne wrote: Hi Ricsingh,
x= 1 and y = 3 what is xy ? its 2 so is x y >0 answer No. x=1 and y = 3 what is x y ? its 4 so is xy >0 answer yes
So what is the confusion? we have two different answers if \(sqrt(y^2)= y\) is not given. So it is very important to mention that Y is positive.
Hope this will help, if any thing is still unclear .let me know Hello  I agree that we need to know Y is positive or not for this question and I think someone has corrected it as well. Just a thought, if we know Y is positive we do not really need to know what X is to answer the question. because when x is negative xy > 0 , not true when x is positive, xy >0 , not true if x is less than y and first statement confirms that. Letme know your thoughts on this.



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