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# If x and y are positive, what is x+y

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If x and y are positive, what is x+y?

(1) 2^x*3^y = 72
(2) 2^x*2^y = 32

Originally posted by imhimanshu on 08 Oct 2013, 08:44.
Last edited by Bunuel on 09 Oct 2013, 01:04, edited 1 time in total.
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09 Oct 2013, 01:27
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mikemcgarry wrote:
imhimanshu wrote:
If $$x$$ and $$y$$ are positive, what is $$x+y$$?
a) $$2^x*3^y = 72$$
b) $$2^x*2^y = 32$$

Dear Himanshu,
The decimal points don't make sense in this context --- those are not the appropriate symbols for multiplication, which is, I assume, what is meant here. The asterisk (shift=8) is a standard plaintext symbol for multiplication.
Furthermore, I don't think the OA given is correct.

You see,
72 = 8*9 = (2^3)*(3^2), so it must be true that x = 3 and y = 2, which means x + y = 5. That makes statement #1 sufficient.

For statement #2,
(2^x)*(2^y) = 2^(x + y) --- that's a standard law of exponents:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/exponent-p ... -the-gmat/
Since 32 = 2^5, we know x + y = 5, although we couldn't find x and y individually from this statement. Nevertheless, this statement is also sufficient to answer the prompt.

I believe the correct answer should be (D), not (B).

Does all this make sense?
Mike

I have to respectfully disagree. The correct answer must be B, not D.

If x and y are positive, what is x+y?

Notice that we are not told that x and y are integers.

(1) 2^x*3^y = 72. Now, if were told that x and y are positive integers, then yes, from 2^x*3^y = 2^3*3^2, it would follow that x=3 and y=2. But we are not given that, thus it's possible that x is say 1 and y is some irrational number (satisfying 3^y=36 --> y=~3.26...). Not sufficient.

(2) 2^x*2^y = 32 --> 2^(x+y) = 2^5 --> x+y = 5. Sufficient.

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08 Oct 2013, 11:51
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imhimanshu wrote:
If $$x$$ and $$y$$ are positive, what is $$x+y$$?
a) $$2^x*3^y = 72$$
b) $$2^x*2^y = 32$$

Dear Himanshu,
The decimal points don't make sense in this context --- those are not the appropriate symbols for multiplication, which is, I assume, what is meant here. The asterisk (shift=8) is a standard plaintext symbol for multiplication.
Furthermore, I don't think the OA given is correct.

You see,
72 = 8*9 = (2^3)*(3^2), so it must be true that x = 3 and y = 2, which means x + y = 5. That makes statement #1 sufficient.

For statement #2,
(2^x)*(2^y) = 2^(x + y) --- that's a standard law of exponents:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/exponent-p ... -the-gmat/
Since 32 = 2^5, we know x + y = 5, although we couldn't find x and y individually from this statement. Nevertheless, this statement is also sufficient to answer the prompt.

I believe the correct answer should be (D), not (B).

Does all this make sense?
Mike
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08 Oct 2013, 16:59
mikemcgarry wrote:
imhimanshu wrote:
If $$x$$ and $$y$$ are positive, what is $$x+y$$?
a) $$2^x*3^y = 72$$
b) $$2^x*2^y = 32$$

Dear Himanshu,
The decimal points don't make sense in this context --- those are not the appropriate symbols for multiplication, which is, I assume, what is meant here. The asterisk (shift=8) is a standard plaintext symbol for multiplication.
Furthermore, I don't think the OA given is correct.

You see,
72 = 8*9 = (2^3)*(3^2), so it must be true that x = 3 and y = 2, which means x + y = 5. That makes statement #1 sufficient.

For statement #2,
(2^x)*(2^y) = 2^(x + y) --- that's a standard law of exponents:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/exponent-p ... -the-gmat/
Since 32 = 2^5, we know x + y = 5, although we couldn't find x and y individually from this statement. Nevertheless, this statement is also sufficient to answer the prompt.

I believe the correct answer should be (D), not (B).

Does all this make sense?
Mike

I had it being D as well
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09 Oct 2013, 00:23
imhimanshu wrote:
If $$x$$ and $$y$$ are positive, what is $$x+y$$?
a) $$2^x.3^y = 72$$
b) $$2^x.2^y = 32$$

It has to be "D". Both the statements give you clear values of x + y.

Could anyone please provide an OA.
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09 Oct 2013, 10:51
Bunuel wrote:
I have to respectfully disagree. The correct answer must be B, not D.

If x and y are positive, what is x+y?

Notice that we are not told that x and y are integers.

(1) 2^x*3^y = 72. Now, if were told that x and y are positive integers, then yes, from 2^x*3^y = 2^3*3^2, it would follow that x=3 and y=2. But we are not given that, thus it's possible that x is say 1 and y is some irrational number (satisfying 3^y=36 --> y=~3.26...). Not sufficient..

Bunuel,
Very interesting. You're quite right --- if x & y are not integers, then the sum could vary widely. I know the GMAT very much likes to test concepts such as prime factorization & laws of exponents, and so I was assuming this question was designed concepts such as that. Do you think that the real GMAT would expect test-takers to know facts about non-integer exponents and how they behave --- essentially, introductory logarithm ideas --- including the facts necessary to arrive at the correct OA of (B)? Have you ever seen such topics arise in official materials? I'm curious.
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09 Oct 2013, 10:58
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mikemcgarry wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
I have to respectfully disagree. The correct answer must be B, not D.

If x and y are positive, what is x+y?

Notice that we are not told that x and y are integers.

(1) 2^x*3^y = 72. Now, if were told that x and y are positive integers, then yes, from 2^x*3^y = 2^3*3^2, it would follow that x=3 and y=2. But we are not given that, thus it's possible that x is say 1 and y is some irrational number (satisfying 3^y=36 --> y=~3.26...). Not sufficient..

Bunuel,
Very interesting. You're quite right --- if x & y are not integers, then the sum could vary widely. I know the GMAT very much likes to test concepts such as prime factorization & laws of exponents, and so I was assuming this question was designed concepts such as that. Do you think that the real GMAT would expect test-takers to know facts about non-integer exponents and how they behave --- essentially, introductory logarithm ideas --- including the facts necessary to arrive at the correct OA of (B)? Have you ever seen such topics arise in official materials? I'm curious.
Mike

I've seen several questions testing the same thing (links to 2 of them are in my post above), not sure though that they are from reliable sources.
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imhimanshu wrote:
If x and y are positive, what is x+y?

(1) 2^x*3^y = 72
(2) 2^x*2^y = 32

-------------ASIDE--------------------------------
IMPORTANT: We are not told that x and y are integers. So, they need not be integers!

ALSO IMPORTANT: There exists a value of y so that 3^y = 36.
How do we know this?
Well, 3^3 = 27 and 3^4 = 81
Since 36 is BETWEEN 27 and 81, there must be a y-value BETWEEN 3 and 4 such that 3^y = 36.
Let's say that, when y = 3.something, 3^y = 36.
------ONTO THE QUESTION!!-----------------------------

Target question: What is the value of x+y?

Statement 1: (2^x)(3^y) = 72
Let's TEST some values.
There are several values of x and y that satisfy statement 1. Here are two:
Case a: x = 3 and y = 2. In this case, x + y = 3 + 2 = 5. So, the answer to the target question is x + y = 5
Case b: x = 1 and y = 3.something. In this case, x + y = 1 + 3.something = 4.something. So, the answer to the target question is x + y = 4.something
Since we cannot answer the target question with certainty, statement 1 is NOT SUFFICIENT

Statement 2: (2^x)(2^y) = 32
Since we have the SAME BASE, we can rewrite this as: 2^(x + y) = 32
Replace 32 with 2^5 to get: 2^(x + y) = 2^5
So, it must be the case that x + y = 5
So, the answer to the target question is x + y = 5
Since we can answer the target question with certainty, statement 2 is SUFFICIENT

Cheers,
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15 Jan 2019, 22:28
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Bunuel wrote:
mikemcgarry wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
I have to respectfully disagree. The correct answer must be B, not D.

If x and y are positive, what is x+y?

Notice that we are not told that x and y are integers.

(1) 2^x*3^y = 72. Now, if were told that x and y are positive integers, then yes, from 2^x*3^y = 2^3*3^2, it would follow that x=3 and y=2. But we are not given that, thus it's possible that x is say 1 and y is some irrational number (satisfying 3^y=36 --> y=~3.26...). Not sufficient..

Bunuel,
Very interesting. You're quite right --- if x & y are not integers, then the sum could vary widely. I know the GMAT very much likes to test concepts such as prime factorization & laws of exponents, and so I was assuming this question was designed concepts such as that. Do you think that the real GMAT would expect test-takers to know facts about non-integer exponents and how they behave --- essentially, introductory logarithm ideas --- including the facts necessary to arrive at the correct OA of (B)? Have you ever seen such topics arise in official materials? I'm curious.
Mike

I've seen several questions testing the same thing (links to 2 of them are in my post above), not sure though that they are from reliable sources.

hi Bunuel, i think there is a typo in the question. the correct version of the GMATPREP should be
If x and y are POSITIVE INTEGERS, what is the value of x+y?
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15 Jan 2019, 23:14
rashedBhai wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
mikemcgarry wrote:

I've seen several questions testing the same thing (links to 2 of them are in my post above), not sure though that they are from reliable sources.

hi Bunuel, i think there is a typo in the question. the correct version of the GMATPREP should be
If x and y are POSITIVE INTEGERS, what is the value of x+y?

That question from GMAT Prep is here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/if-x-and-y-a ... 64100.html

This one is not from GMAT Prep.
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