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Hello, SkR1. I enjoyed reading your thorough analysis. I feel honored to have been mentioned alongside the others you named. I typically add my two cents when I feel a more thorough treatment of a question may be warranted, or if a user brings up a specific point that has not been addressed. I do this out of respect for my fellow GMAT Clubbers, Experts and students alike. In this case, I see that the top two posts in the thread address this very question. If you have read through the analyses by GMATNinjaTwo, neetis5, smartyman, Kurtosis, abhimahna, sahilbhatia21 at the top of page 2, and Chelsea212 and the question still does not make sense, then feel free to ask again for help. I guess I am having trouble understanding any lingering doubts you may have. (And, to be honest, I feel I have little to add in the way of insight that the posts above by the aforementioned members have not already touched on.)

Thank you for tagging me. I hope you find the answer you are looking for.

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can u explain last question and also this line(earthquakes, but while the historical record confirms
that most large earthquakes are preceded by minor
tremors,) why 2 contradictory words are used together.
In 5 question if option d wasn't mentioned can we say E option be correct though it isn't mentioned whether they looked or not looked on causes of earthquake ,but paleoseismologists looked at the causes.


Yes, question no 6 is certainly a bit tricky and it took me a couple of reads before I settled on (C).

Lines of interest:
In 1971 researchers hoping to predict earthquakes in
the short term by identifying precursory phenomena
(those that occur a few days before large quakes
but not otherwise) turned their attention to changes
(5)
in seismic waves...

...

Researchers initially reported success in identifying
these possible precursors, but subsequent analyses
of their data proved disheartening. Seismic waves
(20)
with unusual velocities were recorded before some
earthquakes, but while the historical record confirms
that most large earthquakes are preceded by minor
tremors, these foreshocks indicate nothing about
the magnitude of an impending quake and are
(25)
indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur
without large earthquakes.

In the 1980s, some researchers turned their
efforts from short-term to long-term prediction.



So in 1971, researchers thought of predicting earthquakes in short term by identifying precursory phenomena (such as, rain before a rainbow).
They observed some changes in seismic waves before large earthquakes. Initially, they reported success (say, they observed that before every large earthquake, these seismic waves changed) but later were disappointed. They observed these changes in seismic waves before small earthquakes as well as without any earthquakes. So now can they predict when an earthquake will happen based on changes in seismic waves? No. Some times these changes lead to large earthquakes, sometimes to small earthquakes and sometimes to no earthquake. So if we see these changes, can we say whether an earthquake will happen? No.
In 1980s, some researchers turned away from predicting short term and tried to predict long term earthquakes. After this we have the discussion on places that are earthquake prone etc.

6. The author implies which of the following about the ability of the researchers mentioned in line 18 to predict earthquakes?

A. They can identify when an earthquake is likely to occur but not how large it will be.

Changes in seismic waves can take place even without earthquakes. Apparently they are frequent enough to make researchers consider it a failure and turn away. Hence, they cannot identify when an earthquake is likely to occur.

C. They are unable to determine either the time or the place that earthquakes are likely to occur.

Correct. The researchers mentioned in line 18 give no lead on predicting earthquakes in any way.

Answer (C)
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can u explain last question and also this line(earthquakes, but while the historical record confirms
that most large earthquakes are preceded by minor
tremors,) why 2 contradictory words are used together.
In 5 question if option d wasn't mentioned can we say E option be correct though it isn't mentioned whether they looked or not looked on causes of earthquake ,but paleoseismologists looked at the causes.


As for your 'but while' question, notice the structure of the sentence:

Clause A - Seismic waves with unusual velocities were recorded before some earthquakes.

Clause B - While the historical record confirms that most large earthquakes are preceded by minor tremors, these foreshocks indicate nothing about the magnitude of an impending quake and are indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur without large earthquakes.

'But' joins these two contrasting independent sentences.

Clause A, but Clause B
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can u explain last question and also this line(earthquakes, but while the historical record confirms
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In 5 question if option d wasn't mentioned can we say E option be correct though it isn't mentioned whether they looked or not looked on causes of earthquake ,but paleoseismologists looked at the causes.

As for question 5, option (E) is not correct and will not be. The passage doesn't suggest it. No one suggests anything about 'causes of earthquakes'.
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Hi experts GMATNinjaTwo GMATNinja

Can someone explain, why D is correct in question 5?

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Can someone explain, why D is correct in question 5?

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Question 5 asks about some findings described in lines 42-50. Before diving into those exact lines, however, it's important to understand the broader context of that piece of the passage. Why is the author talking about the findings in the first place?

In the third paragraph, the author introduces the idea of "earthquake cycles." If earthquakes happened at regular intervals, that would be incredibly helpful in predicting when the next earthquake would occur.

But then, in the fourth paragraph, the author introduces evidence against the existence of regular earthquake cycles. This evidence comes from paleoseismologists, and their findings are described in lines 42-50:

    "Paleoseismologists have unearthed and dated geological features such as fault scarps that were caused by earthquakes thousands of years ago. They have determined that the average interval between ten earthquakes that took place at one site along the San Andreas Fault in the past two millennia was 132 years, but individual intervals ranged greatly, from 44 to 332 years.

Overall, this evidence shows that earthquake cycles aren't particularly useful in predicting exactly when the next earthquake will come around -- if someone told you that an earthquake will strike sometime within the next 44 to 332 years, you probably wouldn't find that to be a super helpful prediction.

This is captured perfectly in (D): the paleoseismologists' work suggests that "the recurrence of earthquakes in earthquake-prone sites is too irregular to serve as a basis for earthquake prediction."

(D) is the correct answer to question 5.

I hope that helps!
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Hi stonecold, good question!

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I have a query regarding the last question in this series.
We are asked about the ability of the researchers in the line 18.
The passage clearly indicates and even mentions -> They were able to predict the timing but not the magnitude." indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur"

I am still convinced that the OA should be A.

What am i missing.?

P.S-> I have seen the other replies.
without large earthquakes.

Imagine that the researchers recorded 100 large earthquakes of various magnitudes during their study and that nearly all of those large earthquakes were preceded by minor tremors. This might lead us to expect any minor tremor to be followed by a large earthquake, even though we might not know exactly how large that "large" earthquake will be. Thus, choice A is tempting.

Now consider the final fact given in line 23: "these foreshocks... are indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur without large earthquakes." If instead the passage stated, "these foreshocks are indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur before small earthquakes", THEN choice A would be defensible... this would imply that after a minor tremor we can expect an earthquake, though we have no idea how small or large it will be. But the passage states that the tremors are "indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur without large earthquakes." Therefore, the passage implies that a minor tremor could be followed by a large earthquake, a small earthquake, or no earthquake at all; for example, the researchers may have recorded HUNDREDS of minor tremors that were NOT followed by an earthquake.

This explanation is supported by the first sentence starting in line 17: "Researchers initially reported success in identifying these possible precursors, but subsequent analyses of their data proved disheartening." In other words, the researchers were initially successful in identifying earthquake precursors; subsequent analyses proved disheartening, implying that the researchers were not successful in identifying precursors that would predict earthquakes.

I hope that helps!

So where my confusions lies is that the passage explicitly states "without large earthquakes." Now the question isn't asking about large earthquakes but earthquakes in general, so as such I interpreted the passage to mean that the tremors aren't correlated with magnitude but are correlated with an earthquake, large or small, and as a result I thought A was the correct answer. If the question choice had mentioned "LARGE" earthquakes specifically I likely would have went with C instead of A.
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Hi stonecold, good question!

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I have a query regarding the last question in this series.
We are asked about the ability of the researchers in the line 18.
The passage clearly indicates and even mentions -> They were able to predict the timing but not the magnitude." indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur"

I am still convinced that the OA should be A.

What am i missing.?

P.S-> I have seen the other replies.
without large earthquakes.

Imagine that the researchers recorded 100 large earthquakes of various magnitudes during their study and that nearly all of those large earthquakes were preceded by minor tremors. This might lead us to expect any minor tremor to be followed by a large earthquake, even though we might not know exactly how large that "large" earthquake will be. Thus, choice A is tempting.

Now consider the final fact given in line 23: "these foreshocks... are indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur without large earthquakes." If instead the passage stated, "these foreshocks are indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur before small earthquakes", THEN choice A would be defensible... this would imply that after a minor tremor we can expect an earthquake, though we have no idea how small or large it will be. But the passage states that the tremors are "indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur without large earthquakes." Therefore, the passage implies that a minor tremor could be followed by a large earthquake, a small earthquake, or no earthquake at all; for example, the researchers may have recorded HUNDREDS of minor tremors that were NOT followed by an earthquake.

This explanation is supported by the first sentence starting in line 17: "Researchers initially reported success in identifying these possible precursors, but subsequent analyses of their data proved disheartening." In other words, the researchers were initially successful in identifying earthquake precursors; subsequent analyses proved disheartening, implying that the researchers were not successful in identifying precursors that would predict earthquakes.

I hope that helps!

So where my confusions lies is that the passage explicitly states "without large earthquakes." Now the question isn't asking about large earthquakes but earthquakes in general, so as such I interpreted the passage to mean that the tremors aren't correlated with magnitude but are correlated with an earthquake, large or small, and as a result I thought A was the correct answer. If the question choice had mentioned "LARGE" earthquakes specifically I likely would have went with C instead of A.
The problem is that “without large earthquakes” does not necessarily imply that a small earthquake occurs. It’s equally likely that no earthquake occurs. For (A) to be correct, we’d have to assume that “without large earthquakes” means that a small earthquake did occur. We can’t do that, so we eliminate (A).

I hope that helps!
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@GMATNinjaTwo...can you help me by explaining why option E is wrong in Q6. I think the scientists are able to determine where the earth quakes have occurred in the past?
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@GMATNinjaTwo...can you help me by explaining why option E is wrong in Q6. I think the scientists are able to determine where the earth quakes have occurred in the past?
Question 6 asks us to choose the answer choice that is implied by the author of the passage. So, does the author imply that the researchers in line 18 can tell where earthquakes occurred in the past?

To answer detailed questions like this, go back to that specific portion of the passage to see what the author has said:
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Researchers initially reported success in identifying these possible precursors, but subsequent analyses of their data proved disheartening. Seismic waves with unusual velocities were recorded before some earthquakes, but while the historical record confirms that most large earthquakes are preceded by minor tremors, these foreshocks indicate nothing about the magnitude of an impending quake and are indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur without large earthquakes.
Here, there's no discussion about what these researchers knew concerning past earthquakes. The researchers tried to identify precursors to future earthquakes, and the author focuses on how analysis of the researchers' data is "disheartening." He/she then goes on to describe why the data isn't that helpful in predicting earthquakes.

The passage really doesn't discuss at all what these particular researchers knew about the regions where earthquakes happened in the past. Later in the passage, the author implies that some other researchers knew this information, but those are not the researchers that question 6 asks about.

It may seem like a reasonable assumption to say that the researchers knew something about past earthquakes, but that is simply never implied by the author of the passage. So you can eliminate (E) for question 6.

I hope that helps!
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KarishmaB why not choice B in question 6?

Also later in the passage when it talks about 'some researchers' are the researchers being referred to the same as earlier or these are different? And how do you identify that
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KarishmaB why not choice B in question 6?

Also later in the passage when it talks about 'some researchers' are the researchers being referred to the same as earlier or these are different? And how do you identify that


6. The author implies which of the following about the ability of the researchers mentioned in line 18 to predict earthquakes?

A. They can identify when an earthquake is likely to occur but not how large it will be.
B. They can identify the regions where earthquakes are likely to occur but not when they will occur.
C. They are unable to determine either the time or the place that earthquakes are likely to occur.
D. They are likely to be more accurate at short-term earthquake prediction than at long-term earthquake prediction.
E. They can determine the regions where earthquakes have occurred in the past but not the regions where they are likely to occur in the future.

Researchers initially reported success in identifying these possible precursors, but subsequent analyses of their data proved disheartening. Seismic waves with unusual velocities were recorded before some earthquakes, but while the historical record confirms that most large earthquakes are preceded by minor tremors, these foreshocks indicate nothing about the magnitude of an impending quake and are indistinguishable from other minor tremors that occur without large earthquakes.

This is all that is given to us about "researchers" mentioned in line 18. What can we say about these researchers? That their methods failed to tell us anything about precursors to earthquakes. The passage doesn't tell us that they could tell the regions where earthquakes would occur. Their methods had failed to give any reliable insight.

Next passage starts with "In the 1980s, some researchers turned their efforts from short-term to long-term..." This is a good 10-15 years after 1971 and we are talking about "some researchers". It is not implied that they are the same researchers (using 'those researchers' etc). Also, it starts from a new paragraph so it's the next thought. Hence, we should ignore anything and everything given in the next paragraph.

So option (C) is correct.
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Hi experts,

I read through the responses on the fourm thoroughly, and unfortunately, my doubts have not been resolved. I would be so appreciative for any clarification on the following...

For "the passage is primarily concerned with", to clarify, Choice C is incorrect because it only mentions challenging the usefulness of dilatancy theory for explaining the occurrence??of precursory phenomena and NOT also challenging Lindh??and Baker's regular earthquake cycle theory whereas Choice D goes against both???

For "according to the passage, laboratory evidence concerning...", Choice C is referring to Lindh and Baker's method, correct? Choice D is incorrect because although I believe that this is referring to Lindh and Baker's method... Lindh and Baker's method only even looked at the San Andreas Fault? Choice E is incorrect because it is only LATER (the next paragraph) that the laboratory evidence is discovered as being unreliable, correct?

For "according to the passage, some researchers based their research..." I see why Choice C is the best answer choice. However, Choice D seems to be a trap answer no? Technically, both Lindh and Baker and the Paleoseismologists discuss long-term earthquakes/that they take place over many years. Do you see what I mean? Choice C does not seem to be saying that this is a matter of regular vs. irregular... just that they occur? Any further clarity on differentiating between these two answer choices would be greatly appreciated.
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For "the passage is primarily concerned with", to clarify, Choice C is incorrect because it only mentions challenging the usefulness of dilatancy theory for explaining the occurrence??of precursory phenomena and NOT also challenging Lindh??and Baker's regular earthquake cycle theory whereas Choice D goes against both???

Basically, yes. The passage does exactly the same thing (a setup/background and a description of the researchers' optimistic views, but then a description of how the theory ultimately failed) twice—first for dilatancy theory and then for Baker and Lindh's theory.

Choice C implies that the part about dilatancy theory is part of the main idea, but that the part about Baker's and Lindh's theory is not. That's absolutely impossible, because the two parts are functionally identical—if one of them is part of the main theme, then so is the other one.

Choice C is also totally wrong for a second reason: it says that the passage challenges (= goes against) the usefulness of dilatancy theory "for explaining the occurrence of precursory phenomena".
That's not true. According to the passage, dilatancy theory SUCCESSFULLY explained/elaborated on the occurrence of (at least some) "precursory phenomena" (= events that occur in the build-up to a big earthquake). The failure point of dilatancy theory was that it couldn't PREDICT EARTHQUAKES.
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For "according to the passage, laboratory evidence concerning...", Choice C is referring to Lindh and Baker's method, correct? Choice D is incorrect because although I believe that this is referring to Lindh and Baker's method... Lindh and Baker's method only even looked at the San Andreas Fault? Choice E is incorrect because it is only LATER (the next paragraph) that the laboratory evidence is discovered as being unreliable, correct?

First things first: Here, all of your questions are about the wrong answers; you aren't asking anything about the correct answer or the path of reasoning that leads to it.
It's possible, of course, that you're not asking about these things because everything about the correct answer is clear to you now. If so, good.
—BUT— The other possibility is that you're just not thinking about the correct answer because you're approaching this problem primarily with process-of-elimination. If that's the case, you're making a mistake. On detail-based questions, you should FIRST see whether you can find what you need in the passage and then AFFIRMATIVELY identify the CORRECT answer. Process-of-elimination is something you should do only if you don't succeed in just going to the passage, finding the relevant information, figuring out what the correct answer SHOULD say/do, and then just going and finding it.

Do you understand how the CORRECT answer works? (Short version: The passage says that the stress stuff may explain "precursory phenomena". To answer the question, you just have to know what "precursory phenomena" are—a definition that you can find at the very beginning of the passage OR that you can actually just figure out from the normal, literal meanings of "precursory" and "phenomena").


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Choice C is referring to Lindh and Baker's method, correct?

No. Lindh and Baker thought that earthquakes would occur in these areas at REGULAR intervals—i.e., that there would be essentially NO "variation in intervals".

"Variation in intervals" means that the numbers of years between successive earthquakes is IRREGULAR. That turned out to be true—which was precisely the thing that DEFEATED the Baker and Lindh theory.
This "variation" is the thing in the very last paragraph; it was established by "a relatively new field, paleoseismology".
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Choice D is incorrect because although I believe that this is referring to Lindh and Baker's method... Lindh and Baker's method only even looked at the San Andreas Fault?

That's not the problem. At the start of the discussion of Baker and Lindh, the passage notes that they were aware of repeated earthquakes in "certain regions" (plural)—which accords with "various areas".
(The passage describes a study on just the San Andreas, but, that's expected—the researchers and their equipment can only be in one place at a time. Studying one instance of something in order to figure out things that can be generalized to LOTS of instances is exactly how scientific research works—across basically all fields of science. As an analogy, an oncologist studying the development of cancer can only study it in one patient at a time, but observations on one patient with a certain kind of cancer are clearly relevant to the thousands of other patients who have the same kind of cancer.)

In any case, you're overthinking this. Stress patterns in rocks are only mentioned in the first paragraph, so, they are only relevant to the stuff in that paragraph. Baker and Lindh are not mentioned until the third paragraph, so they have nothing at all to do with stress patterns in rocks.
Therefore, D is just irrelevant. If you find yourself stuck doing process-of-elimination, you should at least be able to eliminate D quickly.


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Choice E is incorrect because it is only LATER (the next paragraph) that the laboratory evidence is discovered as being unreliable, correct?

Evidence can't be "unreliable". That doesn't make sense—"Evidence" is FACTUAL data. Data are data are data. Facts are facts. Once something has been established as a fact, it can't be "unreliable".

If you formulate a THEORY that you think will allow you to DO something with that factual evidence—such as to predict earthquakes, here—then that methodology might turn out to be "unreliable" if it doesn't let you do what you're trying to do with it.



In this instance, there are two steps to the prediction process: /1/ Rock stress patterns are used to predict "precursory phenomena", and then /2/ "precursory phenomena" are used to predict earthquakes.

As described in the second paragraph, the problem was step 2. The rock stress data is only related to step 1, so, no, it doesn't help explain the problem.
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For "according to the passage, some researchers based their research..." I see why Choice C is the best answer choice. However, Choice D seems to be a trap answer no?

I don't know what you mean by "trap answer", but the GMAT does not contain ANY answer choices that are misleading or that are worded in 'tricky' ways (i.e., that require you to interpret words in some obscure way that normal people—reading carefully and literally, but otherwise just normally—would not come up with).

If "trap answer" means "it's written to try to trick/deceive you", then, there are a total of zero 'trap answers' in GMAC's entire output of problems.

If "trap answer" just means "contains something that might make somebody choose it", then basically every wrong answer choice on every question would be one! (The alternative would be to write wrong answer choices that are so stupid that nobody would ever pick them, which would make the entire test rather silly as an enterprise.)


About choice D—That choice deals with stress patterns in rocks. That's in the first paragraph, which is only about SHORT-term prediction, so D is irrelevant.


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Technically, both Lindh and Baker and the Paleoseismologists discuss long-term earthquakes/that they take place over many years. Do you see what I mean?

The adjective "long-term" is only used here for earthquake PREDICTION.

Baker and Lindh were, indeed, trying to find a way to make long-term earthquake predictions.

The paleoseismologists are not concerned with prediction at all (..not as described here, at least). Their deal is looking at geological evidence to figure out when PAST earthquakes happened.



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Choice C does not seem to be saying that this is a matter of regular vs. irregular... just that they occur?

That's exactly what it says. The point is that Baker and Lindh were looking for regular periodic occurrences (because those would let them predict future quakes, at the same intervals), but they didn't know whether, or where, these were actually regular... so they had to do research!

This is what the words literally say:
Noting that earthquakes tend to occur repeatedly in certain regions, Lindh and Baker attempted to identify patterns of recurrence
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