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New post 08 Oct 2014, 11:35
Hi Bunuel,

It might seem as a stupid question and I will request you to bare with me. I seem to understand how you get this part
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Given: 300={French}+{Spanish}-{Both}


But how do you infer this
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{Spanish}-{Both}=100
and this
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{French}-{Both}=60
is beyond me. Shouldn't {French}-{Both} = 240? I don't know what I am missing; I really like the equation approach but I am missing a vital link to form the quoted equations. Thanks a million if you can help on this.
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Hi Bunuel,

It might seem as a stupid question and I will request you to bare with me. I seem to understand how you get this part
Quote:
Given: 300={French}+{Spanish}-{Both}


But how do you infer this
Quote:
{Spanish}-{Both}=100
and this
Quote:
{French}-{Both}=60
is beyond me. Shouldn't {French}-{Both} = 240? I don't know what I am missing; I really like the equation approach but I am missing a vital link to form the quoted equations. Thanks a million if you can help on this.


We are told that 100 of these students do not study French, so 100 students study Spanish only, which is {Spanish} - {Both}.
The same with {French} - {Both} = 60. 60 do not study Spanish, means that 60 students study French only, which is {French} - {Both}.

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Bunuel wrote:
tom09b wrote:
I do not understand how we assume that Jefferson School has only 300 students. If this is not the total number then we cannot say anything from the statements, so answer is E. Am I right??


We are not assuming that. We are told that "in Jefferson School, 300 students study French or Spanish or both", there might be more students who study neither French nor Spanish. But this piece of information tells us that among these 300 students there is none who study neither French nor Spanish. So, 300={French}+{Spanish}-{Both}.

In Jefferson School, 300 students study French or Spanish or both. If 100 of these students do not study French, how many of these students study both French and Spanish?

Given: 300 = {French} + {Spanish} - {Both} and {Spanish} - {Both} = 100 --> 300 = {French} + 100 --> {French} = 200.
Question: {Both}=?

(1) Of the 300 students, 60 do not study Spanish --> {French} - {Both} = 60 --> 200 - {Both} = 60 --> {Both} = 140. Sufficient.

(2) A total of 240 of the students study Spanish --> {Spanish} = 240 --> 240 - {Both} = 100 ---> {Both} = 140. Sufficient.

Answer: D.



Thanks Bunuel. Now its clear.This is an interesting problem because I assumed there would be some students who study neither. But I have learnt a new way to look at these problems and read carefully to understand the exact meaning. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

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Hi All,

I found the Venn Diagram approach is the best way to solve this Q. For more details check out the below link:
http://www.gmatquantum.com/og13/138-dat ... ition.html

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In general for two overlapping sets we have (For convenience I use S & F for Spanish and Frence):

Total = f + s + Both + Neither where s,f are the areas Ony Spanish or Only French i.e. if f = F - Both, s = S - Both

Total = (F-Both) + (S-Both) + Both + Neither.

For this question Neither = 0, s = 100 (or S-Both = 100) and Total = 300

(i) f = 60 (or F-Both = 60) . So the first equation becomes Total = 60 + 100 + Both = 300 hence Both = 300 - 160 = 140 Sufficient

(ii) S = 240. So S = s + Both Therefore by just replacing the values we have 240 = 100 + Both give Both = 140 Sufficient

Although under GMAT conditions all these equations are overkill and perhaps the best thing is just simple Venn.
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Prompt analysis
No. of student learning french = f
No. of students learning spanish = s

Therefore 300 =f +s +f and s and s =100.

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The value of fs will lie in the range of 0 to 200.

Translation
In order to find f and s, we need:
1# the value of f.
2# the exact value of f and s
3# any equation to find f and f and s.

Statement analysis

St 1: f =60. Therefore from the above equation, we can find f and s =140 .ANSWER.
St 2: s +f and s =240. f and s =140. ANSWER.

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In Jefferson School, 300 students study French or Spanish or both. If 100 of these students do not study French, how many of these students study both French and Spanish?

(1) Of the 300 students, 60 do not study Spanish.
(2) A total of 240 of the students study Spanish.


\(? = {\text{French}} \cap {\text{Spanish}} = x\,\,\,\,\left( {{\text{see}}\,\,{\text{image}}\,\,{\text{attached}}} \right)\)

\(\left( 1 \right)\,\,\,300 = 60 + x + 100\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,x\,\,\,{\text{unique}}\)

\(\left( 2 \right)\,\,\,240 = x + 100\,\,\,\,\, \Rightarrow \,\,\,\,x\,\,\,{\text{unique}}\)

This solution follows the notations and rationale taught in the GMATH method.

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HOW WE CAN FIND OUT WE DO NOT NEED NEITHER/NOR ? if question stem do not talk about neither /nor then we can conclude that we must not consider existence of neither nor ??!!!!
T=A+B+AB-NONE (NEITHER NOR)
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New post 11 Jul 2019, 06:34
Hello VeritasKarishma/Chetan2u

I have a confusion with the language of this question above .How do we interpret neither is Zero here since its not clearly stated in the question.

I came across another simple PS from official source.

Of the 65 cars on a car lot, 45 have air-conditioning, 30 have power windows, and 12 have both air-conditioning and power windows. How many of the cars on the lot have neither air-conditioning nor power windows? Here we have to find neither...a little obvious since asking the explicitly but if there was any other parameter asked it again would have been an issue.

Please help to understand the verbiage difference and interpretation.

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I am confused. I don't understand where in the problem it states that students must take a language. We are told that 60 students do not take French but that does not mean that they automatically take Spanish...What if they take no language at all?
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