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In the mid-1920’s the Hawthorne Works of the Western Electric Company

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New post 15 Jun 2017, 07:04
Can someone help me quickly with B vs D? I read other comments and am still a little lost.

B) My problem with B is that I believe it is modifying "scene", which doesn't make sense. Both "of an intensive series" and "of experiments" are prepositional phrases and thus modifiers in their own right.

D) Some of the people above were saying that the reason D is wrong is because "that" shows the clause that follows is modifying experiment.How is modifying experiment any less logical than modifying scene?

I guess what I am getting stuck on is how some can argue that the present participle "investigating" is modifying the entire clause in front of it. I thought only adverbial modifiers do that, and in that case you would need a comma -ing, right?
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In the mid-1920’s the Hawthorne Works of the Western Electric Company was the scene of an intensive series of experiments that would investigate changes in working conditions as to their effects on workers’ performance.

(A) that would investigate changes in working conditions as to their effects on workers’ performance

(B) investigating the effects that changes in working conditions would have on workers’ performance

(C) for investigating what are the effects in workers’ performance that changes in working conditions would cause

(D) that investigated changes in working conditions’ effects on workers’ performance

(E) to investigate what the effects changes in working conditions would have on workers’ performance

B and D are close. However, the subtlety lies in the interchange of words in these options.
The idea of the sentence is to show that the experiments were carried out to investigate the effects that changes (of xyz) would have.
D goes wrong in presenting the idea of investigating changes
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In the mid-1920’s the Hawthorne Works of the Western Electric Company was the scene of an intensive series of experiments that would investigate changes in working conditions as to their effects on workers’ performance.

(A) that would investigate changes in working conditions as to their effects on workers’ performance
“their” in "investigate changes ... as to their effects" is unclear

(B) investigating the effects that changes in working conditions would have on workers’ performance -- Correct

(C) for investigating what are the effects in workers’ performance that changes in working conditions would cause
the sequence of events is illogical

(D) that investigated changes in working conditions’ effects on workers’ performance
The intended meaning involves “effects of the changes”, but this choice seems to indicate that the conditions themselves haven't changed - only their “effects” have.

(E) to investigate what the effects changes in working conditions would have on workers’ performance
"to investigate X" is concise and clear as compared to "to investigate what X is"
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Pronouns + Awkwardness/wordiness + Logical

A: “their” in "investigate changes ... as to their effects" is unclear.
C: “investigating what are the effects…working conditions would cause” wordy and awkward.
D: Double possessives make the choice unclear and awkward. The intended meaning involves “effects of the changes”, but this choice seems to indicate that the conditions themselves haven't changed - only their “effects” have. That's not the intended meaning.
E: "to investigate X" is concise and clear as compared to "to investigate what X is".
B: The participle "investigating" follows "experiments" immediately. No filler words are necessary; this is good concision.
"would" is used properly here, as a past-tense form of "will".
(i.e., if this sentence were translated into the present tense, it would read "...that changes ... will have"). Hence, B is the answer.
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New post 08 Mar 2019, 04:45
noun can go with noun modifier. the following combinations are typical
noun+to do
noun for doing
noun of doing
noun+preposition+noun
noun +that clause.

depending on specific noun, each above pattern is used. the meaning relation between noun and "to do", "for doing" , "of doing" can be specific to meaning of each noun. we do not need to know these meaning relation but we need to know that there are meaning relation

in pattern Noun+ to do/ for doing, the noun is not the agent which perform action of doing/to do

experiment for investigating / to investigate means that experiment dose not perfom investiation but someone else do so.
here the intendedn meaning is that the experiement do investiation , so, investigating or that investiage in choice B and D are correct.
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Such questions - the answer for which is also jumbled up - question are these like experimental ones popping up and has no relation to the actual score? But well from my end score it looks like it does!

In the mid-1920’s the Hawthorne Works of the Western Electric Company was the scene of an intensive series of experiments that would investigate changes in working conditions as to their effects on workers’ performance.

(B) sounds like the scene was investigating ?
HW was the scene - first modifier of an intensive series of experiments
2nd modifies for investigating changes

If the experiments were investigating then (A) would be correct as is or (D)

That "for" is definitely needed so (C) even though the last bit of C sounds like a jumbled mess...
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Such questions - the answer for which is also jumbled up - question are these like experimental ones popping up and has no relation to the actual score? But well from my end score it looks like it does!

In the mid-1920’s the Hawthorne Works of the Western Electric Company was the scene of an intensive series of experiments that would investigate changes in working conditions as to their effects on workers’ performance.

(B) sounds like the scene was investigating ?
HW was the scene - first modifier of an intensive series of experiments
2nd modifies for investigating changes

If the experiments were investigating then (A) would be correct as is or (D)

That "for" is definitely needed so (C) even though the last bit of C sounds like a jumbled mess...
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I can't even understand what is going on here...


E. to investigate what the effects changes in working conditions would have on workers’ performance
This opens with an infinitive of purpose. This one would be pretty good, except for the hypothetical verb "would have." This sentence is not about something hypothetical: it's about a real historical situation, in which real conditions had effects on real workers. As in (A), the hypothetical verb tense doesn't reflect the historical reality.

The only possible answer would be (B). This is a hard question!

Does all this make sense?
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Hi mikemcgarry

"Would " is also present in the correct version. Could you please let me know why it is correct in correct marked answer and incorrect in E?
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hello,
i option B, singular verb "changes" refers to which subject?
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thaya wrote:
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i option B, singular verb "changes" refers to which subject?
Changes is a noun here, and it forms a subject-verb pair with would have.

the effects that changes in working conditions would have (~"changes would have effects")
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Illogical meaning
The investigation was on the effect that a change would cause, so eliminate
A - investigate changes...
C - investigating what are the effects in workers' performance
D - this is less clear cut but D says "changes in working conditons"

E then states that the company was the scene to investigate changes - as in people hung out there and routinely investigated changes. This is false as the investigation was a one-off occurence (since we have no other info to prove otherwise).

B is correct even though it comes across awkward.
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