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Jack has eight cans of different heights. He arranges them in two rows such that the height of the cans must increase from left to right in each row. Further, each can in the second row must be taller than the can in front of it (in the first row). In how many different ways can Jack arrange the cans?
A. 1
B. 6
C. 8
D. 10
E. More than 10

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This is how I solved it,

The two rows have to be in the below format as 8 is the biggest number and 1 is the least number.

- - - 1
8 - - -

Now we have 6 cans left. Let's choose 3 cans from the 6 to fill either the 1st or 2nd row. So the no.of combinations is 6c3 = 20.

For each of the 20 ways of selection of 3, there can be only 1 arrangement possible in ascending order. This can go either in row 1 or row 2. If it goes in row 1, there is only 1 way to arrange the nos of row 2, vice versa. So there are a total of 40 ways. Out of 40, half of it will be duplicates. So 20 ways in total.


Hence E.

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hi

ans will not be 20 as it will contain ways where the two conditions of front row less than rear row and left lower than right will NOT meet.
ans will be 14
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Row A - _ _ _ 8
Row B- 1 _ _ _ _

Now let's select 6c3 for row A=20

But we cannot select 2,3,4 in row a so -1

We cannot select 2,3 combine in row A with 4 ways
Similary 3,4 with 4 ways

I.e 20-4-4-1=11 ways

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Dear EMPOWERgmatRichC,
This is a similar question to the 6 people of different heights ( and you had given the solution there)

Please share how to go about 8 cans here.
I gave it a shot and got the follows:

c1 and c8 will be fixed

c1 _ _ _
_ _ _ c8

Now if we do a little trial and error we see that c2 and c7 can take 2 places each only

1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8

1 2 4 5
3 6 7 8

1 3 4 5
2 6 7 8

Now remaining 3,4,5,6 ---> can take any of the 4 places

So ways = 4! (abv) X 2(for 2) X 2(for 7) = 96

Where am I going wrong?
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Dear EMPOWERgmatRichC,
This is a similar question to the 6 people of different heights ( and you had given the solution there)

Please share how to go about 8 cans here.
I gave it a shot and got the follows:

c1 and c8 will be fixed

c1 _ _ _
_ _ _ c8

Now if we do a little trial and error we see that c2 and c7 can take 2 places each only

1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8

1 2 4 5
3 6 7 8

1 3 4 5
2 6 7 8

Now remaining 3,4,5,6 ---> can take any of the 4 places

So ways = 4! (abv) X 2(for 2) X 2(for 7) = 96

Where am I going wrong?

Can you have a taller person in first row. NO

But 3,4,5,6 arranged in 4! will have all those possibilities.

1 3 4 5
2 6 7 8

cannot be written as

1 6 4 5
2 3 7 8

because 6 is taller to 3.
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So then how do we manually count all arrangements?
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Hi NCC,

Yes, this question is essentially the same concept as the prompt listed here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/a-photograph ... 86046.html), BUT by adding two additional items, many more arrangements become possible. I'd work through the brute-force in much the same way (although the answers are written in such a way that you can potentially avoid writing out all of the possible options).

I would start in the same way that you do - by "locking in" the smallest and largest cans.

_ _ _ 8
1 _ _ _

Next, if we put all of the remaining cans in order of size, then we have our 1st OPTION...

5 6 7 8
1 2 3 4

From here, both the '2' and the '7' have the greatest limitations (the only other option for the '2' is to go behind the '1' and the only other option for the '7 is to go in front of the '8'), so we have 4 frameworks to consider:

_ _ 7 8
1 2 _ _

2 _ 7 8
1 _ _ _

_ _ _ 8
1 2 _ 7

2 _ _ 8
1 _ _ 7

Once you have worked through the first 3 frameworks (again, with some basic brute-force), you'll have enough information to choose the correct answer.

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MartyTargetTestPrep KarishmaB Please help with the valid solution for this one.
­The photograph question itself was hard because it required you to consider the case in which you could have both 4 and 5 ahead. 
Here this question has a lot more added complexity because you have to consider many other cases. I don't have a sequential logic leading to a formula solution here, if you are looking for that. 
I will also explore possibilities and considerations, as done by Chetan and Rich above.
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Hi Bunuel, would you be able to confirm if in this question it doesn't necessarily mean that the cans need to be arranged in rows like 4 in row 1 and 4 in row 2 right? could also be (1,7). (2,6) etc? No where does it say that cans should be equal in both rows? Please let me know where I am going wrong in understanding thanks!

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Jack has eight cans of different heights. He arranges them in two rows such that the height of the cans must increase from left to right in each row. Further, each can in the second row must be taller than the can in front of it (in the first row). In how many different ways can Jack arrange the cans?
A. 1
B. 6
C. 8
D. 10
E. More than 10
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Hi Bunuel, would you be able to confirm if in this question it doesn't necessarily mean that the cans need to be arranged in rows like 4 in row 1 and 4 in row 2 right? could also be (1,7). (2,6) etc? No where does it say that cans should be equal in both rows? Please let me know where I am going wrong in understanding thanks!

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Jack has eight cans of different heights. He arranges them in two rows such that the height of the cans must increase from left to right in each row. Further, each can in the second row must be taller than the can in front of it (in the first row). In how many different ways can Jack arrange the cans?
A. 1
B. 6
C. 8
D. 10
E. More than 10

The question says:

"Each can in the second row must be taller than the can in front of it (in the first row)."

This clearly implies that each can in the second row must have a can directly in front of it. So you can’t have row distributions like (1,7), (2,6), etc., because then some cans in the second row wouldn’t have any can in front of them to compare with, which would break the rule.

So yes, the number of cans in each row must be equal, meaning only a (4,4) split is valid.

Also, just to note, this question is a direct copy of another problem posted here:

https://gmatclub.com/forum/eight-women- ... 92289.html

Same logic, same structure, just reworded with cans instead of people.
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So annoying to get this question in the mocks.

If 2n different objects are there and you have to pick n and n in two rows both in ascending order, such that one row always has greater number than the corresponding number in the other row. Then,

Combinations Cn = 2nCn * 1/(n+1) [Referred to as Catalan number]

So, here there are 8C4/5 = 14 combinations.
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is this a gmat style question?
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is this a gmat style question?

There is a similar but slightly easier question from GMAT Prep, so I’d say a question like this could definitely be tested on the actual exam. Here is that question: https://gmatclub.com/forum/a-photograph ... 86046.html
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this doesn't specify whether each row has to have 4 cans each or if the cans can be arranged with different numbers in each row, is this implied? Do we have to assume this in problems like this?
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this doesn't specify whether each row has to have 4 cans each or if the cans can be arranged with different numbers in each row, is this implied? Do we have to assume this in problems like this?

You can pretty much infer this from the line that says each can in the second row must be taller than the can in front of it. If the rows didn’t both have four cans, then this condition wouldn’t make sense, because some cans would not have a corresponding “front” can.

That said, this is not an official question, and the wording is not very precise. In the post above, I shared a link to the official question, which is worded better and makes the requirement explicit by saying that each row contains the same number of items.
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