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Literacy opened up entire realms of verifiable knowledge to ordinary men and women having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves.
A. having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
B. who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
C. previously considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself
D. of whom it had previously been considered they were incapable of discerning truth for themselves
E. who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself
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Why E is a wrong choice in above question?
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Q. Literacy opened up entire realms of verifiable knowledge to ordinary men and women having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves.
A.
having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
B.
who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
C.
previously considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself
D.
of whom it had previously been considered they were incapable of discerning truth for themselves
E.
who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself

Why E is a wrong choice in above question?


Below is as per i think...

First split is himself or herself vs themselves

Both convey similar meaning.....thus shorter is better .(brevity)

A. Having been (incorrect)
B. Correct
D. It reference issue

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Why E is a wrong choice in above question?

The sentence says men and women: men is plural and so is women.

Hence, himself or herself, as pronouns, do not have any antecedent.
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"men and women" is plural subject, hence requires plural pronoun, hence themselves is correct.

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I understand the B has the correct Pronoun antecedent. Now please explain this - isnt 'previously been considered' redundant? how is that correct? been considered should suffice, there is no need for 'previously'. Experts, please help; I would appreciate an early response.

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Literacy opened up entire realms of verifiable knowledge to ordinary men and women having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves.

Issues: Modifier

A. having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
- Incorrect modifier "-ing"

B. who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
- Correct modifier "who" to indicate people considered incapable

C. previously considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself
- Missing connector
- himself or herself has no antecedent


D. of whom it had previously been considered they were incapable of discerning truth for themselves
- "of whom" creates meaning error
- "considered they" has no connected
- overall this option has poor construction


E. who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself
- himself or herself has no antecedent

Answer: B

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Q. Literacy opened up entire realms of verifiable knowledge to ordinary men and women having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves.
A.
having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
B.
who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
C.
previously considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself
D.
of whom it had previously been considered they were incapable of discerning truth for themselves
E.
who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself


Men- is plural
women- is plural

men and women - is always plural, pronoun used for plural antecedent is also plural, B is the correct choice.

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Literacy opened up entire realms of verifiable knowledge to ordinary men and women having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves.
A. having been previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
B. who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves
C. previously considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself
D. of whom it had previously been considered they were incapable of discerning truth for themselves
E. who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for himself or herself

having been changes the meaning away from the intended one. So given sentence is incorrect.
men and women is plural so himself or herself is incorrect thereby ruling out C and E.
choice D is wordy and clumsy.

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hey

after eliminating all choices only B was left hence i chose B

But i have read in manhattan SC book that had is not used if sentence contains some other term referring back to that time or helping in deciding the sequence of events such as before

here also i think previously establishes that point and hence there should be were instead of had

please correct me where i am going wrong.

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But i have read in manhattan SC book that had is not used if sentence contains some other term referring back to that time or helping in deciding the sequence of events such as before

here also i think previously establishes that point and hence there should be were instead of had


I'm not sure about the rule you're referring to in the Manhattan SC book, but here's an overview of the past perfect:

When a sentence discusses two completed actions, the past perfect (had + verb) can be used to refer to the action that occurred first.

In some instances, either the simple past (preterit) or the past perfect can acceptably be used. In case of the latter, the past perfect merely serves to emphasize that one action occurred before the other. The sentence you are asking about falls into this category.

Simple Past: Literacy opened up entire realms of verifiable knowledge to ordinary men and women who were previously considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves.

Past Perfect: Literacy opened up entire realms of verifiable knowledge to ordinary men and women who had previously been considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves.

In the first version, the simple past emphasizes that both actions took place in the past.

In the second version, the past perfect emphasizes that one action took place before the other -- that ordinary men and women were considered incapable of discerning truth for themselves before literacy became commonplace.

If anything, the word "previously" reinforces the acceptability of the past perfect here because it emphasizes the sequence of events.

In other instances, the past perfect is required, and the simple past cannot be used.

For example, when dealing with hypothetical ("if") clauses and result clauses, the tenses follow a very strict pattern. If the main clause contains the past conditional (would have + past participle), the "if" clause must contain the past perfect.

Correct: Investors' concerns would have grown significantly if the market had continued to decline.

Incorrect: Investors' concerns would have grown significantly if the market continued to decline.

In this case, an adverb of time (e.g. "before" or "previously) would not normally appear in the same clause as the past perfect. That might be the rule you're thinking of.

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smanujahrc, our book doesn't say that you can't use past perfect when other indicators are present. It's just that in some such cases, past perfect isn't necessary. We could probably get away without using past perfect here--the context and the word "previously" make the order of events clear--but there's nothing stopping us from using it, either.
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smanujahrc, our book doesn't say that you can't use past perfect when other indicators are present. It's just that in some such cases, past perfect isn't necessary. We could probably get away without using past perfect here--the context and the word "previously" make the order of events clear--but there's nothing stopping us from using it, either.



oh i am sorry i misunderstood the concept.

i get it

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I understand the B has the correct Pronoun antecedent. Now please explain this - isnt 'previously been considered' redundant? how is that correct? been considered should suffice, there is no need for 'previously'. Experts, please help; I would appreciate an early response.

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Hello,

I have the same doubt. Please, could someone help us on that?

(B continues to be the best choice among the five, but the word 'previously' could be removed without changing the meaning. The only reason I believe the word continues there is to 'confuse' and lead to an incorrect choice, for example, to letter C. Besides the pronoun error, C would be a good choice.)

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