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Hey mappleby
It would be awesome if you could elaborate a little about your GPA and your story.
I think it would really help people who are dreading some GPA issues.
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Sure. My first GMAT attempt I broke the magic 700 so I thought I was set, but as you can see from all the red when I applied last year that with a low GPA a 700 GMAT just wasn't enough to make the cut. I also think that my applications probably weren't as polished as they needed to be but the combination of having both a GPA and GMAT well below the median was a big red flag.

So I went back to studying for the GMAT in earnest, bought some better study materials and took the Kaplan Advanced Online class. There really wasn't much in the class I couldn't have learned from the books but for me it added a timing and structure that I found helpful. Also the course has a great quiz bank with tons of customization options to help you focus where you need it. Second time around I scored a 750 and broke the 80/80 percentile split people love to talk about.

My undergrad degree is in Mechanical Engineering from Georgia Tech and I had 3 F's on my transcript. I would think that the admissions committee probably gave me a little more leniency considering all of my F's were in challenging engineering classes and I got 2 A's and a B when I re-took them. I used the optional essay for each school to address the F's on my transcript. I didn't make excuses I just told the truth; I over-extended myself in extra-curricular activities and lost focus on school work. My last year in college had my highest GPAs for any 2 semesters so that also probably played to my favor.

Even with the poor GPA and F's and I got accepted ED to Columbia and invited to interview at Booth. I think I would have been accepted at Booth as well but I withdrew my application after hearing from CBS. So even with a bad GPA it can be done. I'm also a white, American male in case that matters.
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Hi Souvik101990, Thank you for this awesome thread. Can you please refer some institute or Body where we can get our GPAs (percentage to Grade point) done . Thanking you ,
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Under "what you can do" I thought I would also add that your recommenders can be part of your story and help address concerns about aptitude or attitude. So recommenders + essays can help alleviate concerns. I did this and thought it was a good strategy as they are obviously more objective and a valued perspective.
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Hi Souvik101990, Thank you for this awesome thread. Can you please refer some institute or Body where we can get our GPAs (percentage to Grade point) done . Thanking you ,
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It really depends as most schools do not ask you to convert your grade point because they are well aware of the grading systems in different colleges.
However, if a school does ask then it will also provide a conversion guideline (Columbia for example).

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what about the opposite situation? low gmat but a high gpa?
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what about the opposite situation? low gmat but a high gpa?

This is pretty easy and a better situation to be in: re-take the GMAT. You can't change your GPA, but you can improve your GMAT score. Keep in mind you can even take it again after the application deadline because some schools will accept an updated score, and also, if you application is strong but the GMAT is lacking and you end up on the waitlist, providing a higher score is a good way to stand out from the WL pack.
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I've some questions.
I've a low-ish GPA (3.09) with upward trend (2.83>3.42>3.7>3.83 for last 4 semesters) I've no excuse for my low GPA during Freshman and Sophomore years. That's mostly due to DotA Allstar and too much clubbing. At that time I didn't really care about GPA. and I also didn't do well in some quant classes (Stat-C, Fundamental Math-C, Finance-C+ but Managecial Accounting-A, Fundamental Accounting B+ and Business Quantitative Analysis B+). Do you think that will hurt my chances despite the upward trend?
Do you guys think I should have alternative transcript or just concentrate on the GMAT preparation?

PS. I've graduated from one of the most competitive B-school in Thailand, where only one of my classmate (from about 80 Marketing majors) manage to get more than 3.5 GPA. If that can help.
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I've some questions.
I've a low-ish GPA (3.09) with upward trend (2.83>3.42>3.7>3.83 for last 4 semesters) I've no excuse for my low GPA during Freshman and Sophomore years. That's mostly due to DotA Allstar and too much clubbing. At that time I didn't really care about GPA. and I also didn't do well in some quant classes (Stat-C, Fundamental Math-C, Finance-C+ but Managecial Accounting-A, Fundamental Accounting B+ and Business Quantitative Analysis B+). Do you think that will hurt my chances despite the upward trend?
Do you guys think I should have alternative transcript or just concentrate on the GMAT preparation?

PS. I've graduated from one of the most competitive B-school in Thailand, where only one of my classmate (from about 80 Marketing majors) manage to get more than 3.5 GPA. If that can help.

Yeah so upward trend is a clear winner :)
Also another important aspect is, what was your class percentile in terms of GPA?
I think if you haven't taken the GMAT yet, that is where you should start!
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I've some questions.
I've a low-ish GPA (3.09) with upward trend (2.83>3.42>3.7>3.83 for last 4 semesters) I've no excuse for my low GPA during Freshman and Sophomore years. That's mostly due to DotA Allstar and too much clubbing. At that time I didn't really care about GPA. and I also didn't do well in some quant classes (Stat-C, Fundamental Math-C, Finance-C+ but Managecial Accounting-A, Fundamental Accounting B+ and Business Quantitative Analysis B+). Do you think that will hurt my chances despite the upward trend?
Do you guys think I should have alternative transcript or just concentrate on the GMAT preparation?

PS. I've graduated from one of the most competitive B-school in Thailand, where only one of my classmate (from about 80 Marketing majors) manage to get more than 3.5 GPA. If that can help.

Yeah so upward trend is a clear winner :)
Also another important aspect is, what was your class percentile in terms of GPA?
I think if you haven't taken the GMAT yet, that is where you should start!

No question that a high GMAT will do a lot to mitigate a low GPA. To a lesser extent, the opposite is also true. And as mappleby and souvik101990 also point out, grade trends and the difficulty and relevance of cousework to MBA studies also is a factor. Your story also counts. Finally, as soumik notes, taking business classes and earning A's in them is a highly effective way to mitigate a low GPA, especially if getting a mid-700 GMAT isn't in the cards. This is particularly valuable if you don't have business classes on your transcript. A's show additional aptitude for business and the coursework you will encounter in business school.

For a good summary of how to handle a low GPA or low GMAT, please see "MBA Admissions: Low GMAT or GPA" For more detail and suggestions on handling these and other weaknesses, please see "Overcoming MBA Application Weaknesses."

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Thank you for both of your answers, It been very helpful.
For now I think it'd best for me to focus on my gmat prep first and aiming for mid-700.

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As I did my undergrad in business. I have quite a few business related courses that I got A namely quantitative marketing research, marketing strategy, accounting and a few others. Do you think I'd benefited from taking courses in business related subject.

Edited As I read your article I think It might be a good idea to enroll a statistic or calculus course from local university.
May be I'll think about this again after I take GMAT.
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Thank you for both of your answers, It been very helpful.
For now I think it'd best for me to focus on my gmat prep first and aiming for mid-700.

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As I did my undergrad in business. I have quite a few business related courses that I got A namely quantitative marketing research, marketing strategy, accounting and a few others. Do you think I'd benefited from taking courses in business related subject.

Edited As I read your article I think It might be a good idea to enroll a statistic or calculus course from local university.
May be I'll think about this again after I take GMAT.

I think it's a matter of time. Certainly a few recent A's in business courses can only help. On the other hand, if you had that upper trend, A's in quant courses, and earn an above average GMAT, then those recent A's are probably a little less important and then it's really a time-budgeting question. Where can you spend your time most effectively? If work is slow and you have the time for a class like this, do it. However if work is crazy or other commitments call and you're struggling to get the applications done, rely on the other elements.

I'm a big believer in the art of the possible. :-)

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My GPA is 6.0(scale of 10).If i convert that to a scale of 4, GPA becomes 2.4 :oops: .Thats really bad.Also, If u consider my class, i will be in the bottom 15. But earlier to that, my All india rank (in 400s) and state rank (single digits) are really good and i went to one of the top 10 engineering college in India. So what are my chances of getting into a good bschool :(
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I'm from India and I got 73.28% in my undergrad. That's a really good score (first class with distinction) in India but on converting it to GPA, it becomes a paltry 2.66. One Booth alum I talked to suggested that I write an additional letter explaining how 73% is a good score in India and that very few people get a GPA above 3.0 (80%) in Indian undergrad courses.

Is this a good idea? Or is it over compensating?
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I'm from India and I got 73.28% in my undergrad. That's a really good score (first class with distinction) in India but on converting it to GPA, it becomes a paltry 2.66. One Booth alum I talked to suggested that I write an additional letter explaining how 73% is a good score in India and that very few people get a GPA above 3.0 (80%) in Indian undergrad courses.

Is this a good idea? Or is it over compensating?

You should list your class rank and a note about the conversion or your app will be thrown out.
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My GPA is 6.0(scale of 10).If i convert that to a scale of 4, GPA becomes 2.4 :oops: .Thats really bad.Also, If u consider my class, i will be in the bottom 15. But earlier to that, my All india rank (in 400s) and state rank (single digits) are really good and i went to one of the top 10 engineering college in India. So what are my chances of getting into a good bschool :(

Your high school performance isn't important when applying to a top masters program. Your grades, professional progression, and test score show your more recent academic ability as well as your ability to apply yourself in a tough academic setting.

That being said your ability to be accepted at a top program is not determined solely by your undergrad performance and I can't assess your profile based on what you wrote above. People are accepted to good MBA programs with low GPAs. Please click on the link in the preceding sentence for suggestions as to how you can make yourself competitive at good programs with a low undergrad GPA. Great professional progression, additional coursework with high grades, and a high GMAT go a long way towards mitigating a low GPA.

Also, while I agree that a 6.0 is a disadvantage when applying to top U.S. business schools I urge you not to translate it to the U.S. GPA system unless the school you are applying to requires you to do so. Allow the admissions directors to interpret it themselves. They know the different grading systems and schools, certainly the more prominent ones in India.

You may also be interested in MBA Admissions for Indian Applicants. It doesn't directly address your GPA question, but it does address several issues that Indian applicants face.

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