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how 18 * 2/3 ???
from where does 2/3
factor comes in picture.. plz explain..
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how 18 * 2/3 ???
from where does 2/3
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Hi AKS,

The RATIO of non negative to negative is 2:1 Hence the total (2+1 =3) is composed by \(\frac{2}{3}\) of Non Negative + \(\frac{1}{3}\) of negative.

It is the tricky part of ratios and fractions

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I just drew the picture and then wrote an easy equation:

\(\frac {x + \frac {1}{18}}{\frac{1}{6}+ \frac{7}{9} - x } = 2\)

\(x = \frac{11}{18}\).

Now in order to calculate the answer we need to divide this number by a total of remaining numbers (\(\frac {7}{9}\)), which gives \(\frac {11}{14}\) as an answer.
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Are there more questions like this to practice? Would appreciate links if any!
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Are there more questions like this to practice? Would appreciate links if any!

Check this: https://gmatclub.com/forum/there-are-87 ... 61001.html
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I think this is a high-quality question and the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate. i am unable to under why ratio is coming to be 2:1 when it should be 3:1 because 3 are non-negative and 1 is negative.
Please clarify
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I think this is a high-quality question and the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate. i am unable to under why ratio is coming to be 2:1 when it should be 3:1 because 3 are non-negative and 1 is negative.
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In 4 numbers observed 3 numbers were non-negative and 1 number was negative. But the question asks: What fraction of the remaining numbers in set \(A\) must be negative so that the total ratio of negative numbers to non-negative numbers be 2 to 1?
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Here's how I solved it:

First \(\frac{2}{9}\) of Set A
Non Negative: \(\frac{2}{9}\) * \(\frac{3}{4}\) = \(\frac{6}{36}\)

Negative: \(\frac{2}{9}\) * \(\frac{1}{4}\) = \(\frac{2}{36}\)

Now we need the ratio of Negative to non negative to be 2:1

So Negative must be \(\frac{24}{36}\) and non negative must be \(\frac{12}{36}\)

We already have 2/36 negative, so I need 22/36 more negative.

Make x be the fraction of negative numbers of the remaining 7/9.

\(\frac{7}{9}\) * x = \(\frac{22}{36}\)

x = \(\frac{22}{36}\) * \(\frac{9}{7}\)

x = \(\frac{22}{36}\) * \(\frac{9}{7}\) = \(\frac{198}{252}\) = \(\frac{99}{126}\) = \(\frac{33}{42}\) = \(\frac{11}{14}\)

Took about 3 minutes.
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I think that this is a high-quality question and I agree with the explanation.

I spent 4 mins on this question - I should have skipped it and moved on.
That's why I was looking for a quicker approach in this thread.

Since we're dealing with fractions, let's assume that there are 36 numbers in set A.
[\(LCM(9,4)=36\)]

We know: \(Non-negative : Negative = 2:1\)
Observed\(=\frac{2}{9}*36=8\)
Non-Negative & Observed\(=\frac{3}{4}*8=6\)

This information is sufficient to fill up the 2x2 below:

Not ObservedObservedTotal
Non -ve6612
-ve22224
Total28836

\(Fraction=\frac{22}{28}=\frac{11}{14}\)
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I have edited the question and the solution by adding more details to enhance its clarity. I hope it is now easier to understand.
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Hello,

could you please explain me what am I doing wrong here ?

so we have 3/4 of 2/9 that is 1/6 as non-negative

so in order to have our 2:1 ratio we need to have 2/6 so 1/3 of negative ones

then what fraction of 1-2/9 = 7/9 (the remaining ones) gives us 1/3 ?

that is X*7/9 = 1/3
==> X=7/3

any help would be appreciated :)
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Official Solution:

After observing \(\frac{2}{9}\) of the numbers in data set \(A\), it was found that \(\frac{3}{4}\) of those numbers were non-negative. What fraction of the remaining numbers in \(A\) must be negative so that the ratio of negative numbers to non-negative numbers in \(A\) is 2 to 1?

A. \(\frac{11}{14}\)
B. \(\frac{13}{18}\)
C. \(\frac{4}{7}\)
D. \(\frac{3}{7}\)
E. \(\frac{3}{14}\)


To simplify calculations, instead of assigning a variable, we can choose a convenient number, such as 18, for the size of \(A\).

Since we observed \(\frac{2}{9}\) of the numbers in \(A\), we observed 4 numbers, and there are 14 numbers left to observe.

Given that \(\frac{3}{4}\) of the observed numbers were non-negative, we know that 3 of the observed numbers were non-negative, and 1 was negative.

To achieve a ratio of 2 to 1 between negative numbers and non-negative numbers in \(A\), we need a total of \(18 *\frac{2}{3} = 12\) negative numbers. Since we already have 1 negative number, we need 11 more negative numbers in the remaining 14 numbers of \(A\). Therefore, \(\frac{11}{14}\) of the remaining numbers in \(A\) must be negative.


Answer: A

Hello,

could you please explain me what am I doing wrong here ?

so we have 3/4 of 2/9 that is 1/6 as non-negative

so in order to have our 2:1 ratio we need to have 2/6 so 1/3 of negative ones

then what fraction of 1-2/9 = 7/9 (the remaining ones) gives us 1/3 ?

that is X*7/9 = 1/3
==> X=7/3

any help would be appreciated :)

Out of 2/9 numbers, 3/4 are non-negative, so 2/9 * 3/4 = 1/6 are non-negative.
Out of 2/9 numbers, 1/4 are negative, so 2/9 * 1/4 = 1/18 are negative.

Out of the remaining numbers, so out of 7/9 of the numbers, x is negative and 7/9 - x is non-negative.

So, total negative = 1/18 + x and total non-negative = 1/6 + (7/9 - x).

negative/nonnegative = (1/18 + x)/(1/6 + (7/9 - x))=2

x = 11/14

The fraction 11/14 is of 2/9 equals to (11/14) / (2/9) = 11/14.

So, it's much better to substitute numbers in this question.
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I did not quite understand the solution. Official solution feels more verbose, less mathematical (and easy to follow) than fraction representation
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I did not quite understand the solution. Official solution feels more verbose, less mathematical (and easy to follow) than fraction representation
Relying solely on algebra is not the proper way to prepare for the exam. You should have other tools in your arsenal. The approach used in the solution is precise and can be applied to many similar questions. If you are still looking for alternative solutions, please check the discussion above.
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I like the solution - it’s helpful.
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Hi,

I dont quite understand what the question is asking for? Could you please explain in terms of fraction of what the question is asking?

Here is how i interpreted it total negative numbers/remaining numbers/negative number + 2/total - negative (non negative) = 2/1
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Hi,

I dont quite understand what the question is asking for? Could you please explain in terms of fraction of what the question is asking?

Here is how i interpreted it total negative numbers/remaining numbers/negative number + 2/total - negative (non negative) = 2/1
The question is not asking for total negatives divided by all numbers. It is asking: among the numbers that remain unobserved, what fraction of those must be negative so that the overall set ends up with the required 2 to 1 ratio.
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