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# M31-53

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If $$a$$ and $$b$$ are non-negative integers, is $$a > b$$?

(1) $$6^a = 36^b$$

(2) $$5^a = 35^b$$

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If $$a$$ and $$b$$ are non-negative integers, is $$a > b$$?

(1) $$6^a = 36^b$$. Simplify: $$6^a = 6^{2b}$$. Bases are equal, hence we can equate the powers: $$a=2b$$. If $$a=b=0$$, then $$a$$ is NOT greater than $$b$$ but if $$a=2$$ and $$b=1$$, then $$a$$ IS greater than $$b$$. Not sufficient.

(2) $$5^a = 35^b$$. If both $$a$$ and $$b$$ are positive integers, then we'd have that $$5^a$$ is equal to some multiple of 7 (because 35=5*7), which is not possible since 5 in any positive integer power has only 5's in it. Therefore, both $$a$$ and $$b$$ must be 0, giving a NO answer to the question whether $$a$$ is greater than $$b$$. Sufficient,

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17 Jul 2016, 02:20
I think this is a high-quality question and I agree with explanation. Great Trap on choice B! Excellent
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04 Jun 2017, 07:31
Very good question. I made a mistake assuming that a = 2b => a> b without considering b =0
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09 Jul 2017, 02:23
Hi Bunuel,

Since it is given a & b are positive, how can we assume a=0 from statement 1? (0 is neither -ve nor +ve)

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09 Jul 2017, 02:29
petal123 wrote:
Hi Bunuel,

Since it is given a & b are positive, how can we assume a=0 from statement 1? (0 is neither -ve nor +ve)

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We are not given that a and b are positive, we are given that a and b are non-negative. Non-negative, means 0 or positive (so those which are not negative).
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26 Aug 2017, 03:15
Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:

If $$a$$ and $$b$$ are non-negative integers, is $$a > b$$?

(1) $$6^a = 36^b$$. Simplify: $$6^a = 6^{2b}$$. Bases are equal, hence we can equate the powers: $$a=2b$$. If $$a=b=0$$, then $$a$$ is NOT greater than $$b$$ but if $$a=2$$ and $$b=1$$, then $$a$$ IS greater than $$b$$. Not sufficient.

(2) $$5^a = 35^b$$. If both $$a$$ and $$b$$ are positive integers, then we'd have that $$5^a$$ is equal to some multiple of 7 (because 35=5*7), which is not possible since 5 in any positive integer power has only 5's in it. Therefore, both $$a$$ and $$b$$ must be 0, giving a NO answer to the question whether $$a$$ is greater than $$b$$. Sufficient,

Hi bunuel,

Not able to understand the statement 2 explaination. Could you explain in simpler words or with some example?

Thanks
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26 Aug 2017, 04:06
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Bunuel wrote:
Official Solution:

If $$a$$ and $$b$$ are non-negative integers, is $$a > b$$?

(1) $$6^a = 36^b$$. Simplify: $$6^a = 6^{2b}$$. Bases are equal, hence we can equate the powers: $$a=2b$$. If $$a=b=0$$, then $$a$$ is NOT greater than $$b$$ but if $$a=2$$ and $$b=1$$, then $$a$$ IS greater than $$b$$. Not sufficient.

(2) $$5^a = 35^b$$. If both $$a$$ and $$b$$ are positive integers, then we'd have that $$5^a$$ is equal to some multiple of 7 (because 35=5*7), which is not possible since 5 in any positive integer power has only 5's in it. Therefore, both $$a$$ and $$b$$ must be 0, giving a NO answer to the question whether $$a$$ is greater than $$b$$. Sufficient,

Hi bunuel,

Not able to understand the statement 2 explaination. Could you explain in simpler words or with some example?

Thanks

If a and b are not both 0, then we'd have that {not a multiple of 7} = {a multiple of 7}, which cannot be true, thus both $$a$$ and $$b$$ must be 0.
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26 Feb 2018, 04:00
Hi Bunuel,

I worked the second statement out in the following way:

5^a=5^b*7^b

Since exponents with the same bases can be equated...I then got a=b (by equating the exponents of the two 5s)
If a=b, a cannot be greater than b...hence sufficient.

I was still uncomfortable with my working out because I wasn't sure whether ignoring the 7^b was correct...was my approach correct?

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31 Oct 2018, 14:44
I think this the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate.
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31 Oct 2018, 21:42
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I think this the explanation isn't clear enough, please elaborate.

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19 Nov 2018, 08:44
A quick and important tip for such questions!

ALWAYS REMEMBER IN DS questions statement 1 can never contradict statement 2!
So even in case u made mistake of taking a > b from statement 1, while doing statement 2 u realize$$a = b = 0$$.
You should immediately stop and check to see why statement 1 and 2 are contradicting.
Probably because u made some mistake.
This simple tip will help u avoid in a lot of DS questions.
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