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16 Jul 2020, 13:06
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VeritasKarishma .
Before coming down to option B and E, I actually did some prethinking to find the gap between the logic. And i tried to connect the dots using Money spent, Image, and Sales. And i thought , if answer could some link which can widen the gap for weakening is that " Somehow after spending money also , image was not significant to improve the sales
And in a rush, i chose E because i thought this matched my prethinking,. Now that i referred back to answer choice, i found that there is not link of sales in the answer choice.
My question is : Is it wrong because of above reasoning , if my reasoning is to be accepted in this fashion. ?
Before coming down to option B and E, I actually did some prethinking to find the gap between the logic. And i tried to connect the dots using Money spent, Image, and Sales. And i thought , if answer could some link which can widen the gap for weakening is that " Somehow after spending money also , image was not significant to improve the sales
And in a rush, i chose E because i thought this matched my prethinking,. Now that i referred back to answer choice, i found that there is not link of sales in the answer choice.
My question is : Is it wrong because of above reasoning , if my reasoning is to be accepted in this fashion. ?
20 Jul 2020, 04:15
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As per the executive, spending the money will improve image and lead to increased sales.
E. If workers at the manufacturing facility believed their wages or working conditions were poor, their complaints would outweigh any good impressions generated by Magu's donations or sponsorships.
The complaints of the workers have nothing to do with whether the company donates or not. As I explained in my previous reply, there are many factors that improve sales and may that reduce it. How they all will eventually balance out, we don't care. We are concerned about the effect of donating only.
Donating will increase sales. Something that weakens it needs to say why donating may not improve sales. The cause of lower sales should not stem from another factor since that factor exists irrespective of whether we donate or not. The cause should be related to donating only.
If not donating will lead to higher sales, donating will not improve sales. that is what option (B) says. If we don't donate, we will do direct advertising with that money which leads to better improvement in sales. So donating actually reduces sales.
26 Jul 2020, 20:54
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Responding to you guys' questions on conditional/hypothetical sentences as answer choices (like the one in E): SpiritualYoda jamalabdullah100 KaranB1
(I copied this from Lawrence, a GMAT expert from Magoosh. I am not advertising for them but I just thought her explanations were really helpful and wanted to share with you guys)
Yes, in this case, the conditional is wrong. That's because a conditional is not a firm enough weakener. This is generally the case — a hypothetical does not necessarily weaken the argument. We need something that is TRUE and will affect the argument in real-time NOW (if it's true).
Here's an example:
Premise: Cats attract people in a positive way.
Premise: Using cats in any business will improve our sales.
Conclusion: We should use cats in our business (to attract positive attention and improve sales).
Let's take the conditional, "If the cats we use get sick and die, then their deaths will outweigh the positive effects of using cats in our business." Is this NECESSARILY a weakener? No, because the cats will only bring the negative effects if they die. If they do NOT die, then my argument is still going to hold. So this is just a conditional that does not affect the argument at all.
To expand this, what about conditional/hypothetical answer choice in strengthen/assumption questions? -->
Typically, Weaken and Strengthen question types will rely on causal reasoning — not conditional reasoning. So we can expect to see a correct answer choice that is stronger. Reasoning that attacks a premise/conclusion directly is more powerful than conditional reasoning, and so when both are present it's typically best to focus on the stronger, more direct answers rather than the conditional ones. I don't know that this is always true — it's more of a general rule of thumb that's true in MOST cases. I can't think of situation with an exception right now, but it's safe to say that this should be a "guiding principle" for you moving forward.
In necessary assumption questions, we're looking for the answer choice that, if false, would destroy the argument. Sometimes this can be a conditional, and sometimes it can be a non-conditional. What matters here is that our answer choice HAS to be something that the argument needs in order to work successfully.
In sufficient assumption questions, it's all about finding the correct answer choice that connects the evidence and conclusion in a way that makes the conclusion airtight. This can be conditional or non-conditional.
So, for assumption questions, whether an answer choice is conditional or not matters less. For weaken/strengthen, be suspicious of conditionals but make sure you're thinking about which one directly weakens or supports the premises/conclusion of the argument.
Credits to Lawrence from Magoosh. She had been extremely helpful!
I will update this post if I meet any cr problems that have conditional/hypothetical answer choice as correct answer choice for all of us to learn.
(I copied this from Lawrence, a GMAT expert from Magoosh. I am not advertising for them but I just thought her explanations were really helpful and wanted to share with you guys)
Yes, in this case, the conditional is wrong. That's because a conditional is not a firm enough weakener. This is generally the case — a hypothetical does not necessarily weaken the argument. We need something that is TRUE and will affect the argument in real-time NOW (if it's true).
Here's an example:
Premise: Cats attract people in a positive way.
Premise: Using cats in any business will improve our sales.
Conclusion: We should use cats in our business (to attract positive attention and improve sales).
Let's take the conditional, "If the cats we use get sick and die, then their deaths will outweigh the positive effects of using cats in our business." Is this NECESSARILY a weakener? No, because the cats will only bring the negative effects if they die. If they do NOT die, then my argument is still going to hold. So this is just a conditional that does not affect the argument at all.
To expand this, what about conditional/hypothetical answer choice in strengthen/assumption questions? -->
Typically, Weaken and Strengthen question types will rely on causal reasoning — not conditional reasoning. So we can expect to see a correct answer choice that is stronger. Reasoning that attacks a premise/conclusion directly is more powerful than conditional reasoning, and so when both are present it's typically best to focus on the stronger, more direct answers rather than the conditional ones. I don't know that this is always true — it's more of a general rule of thumb that's true in MOST cases. I can't think of situation with an exception right now, but it's safe to say that this should be a "guiding principle" for you moving forward.
In necessary assumption questions, we're looking for the answer choice that, if false, would destroy the argument. Sometimes this can be a conditional, and sometimes it can be a non-conditional. What matters here is that our answer choice HAS to be something that the argument needs in order to work successfully.
In sufficient assumption questions, it's all about finding the correct answer choice that connects the evidence and conclusion in a way that makes the conclusion airtight. This can be conditional or non-conditional.
So, for assumption questions, whether an answer choice is conditional or not matters less. For weaken/strengthen, be suspicious of conditionals but make sure you're thinking about which one directly weakens or supports the premises/conclusion of the argument.
Credits to Lawrence from Magoosh. She had been extremely helpful!
I will update this post if I meet any cr problems that have conditional/hypothetical answer choice as correct answer choice for all of us to learn.
