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Can you please clarify why order does matter here??I solved this problem after solving a problem similar to it,the one where triplets Adam,Bruce and Charlie enter a triathlon.There we needed to find probability that atleast 2 triplets will win a medal.Here we have to find probability of at least two throws going correctly. But still in this problem we are considering order,but not in the triplets problem. Please clarify.

Another way to arrive at this is just to work out the cases. If he has 3 shots and must make two, then he can win if:

HH (He makes the first two shots. Third shot is not needed, he already won.)
NHH (Missed the first, made the second two)
HNH (Made the first and the last)

the probabilities of these three winning scenarios in terms of "p" are:

HH ---> \(p*p\) --------------------> \(p^2\)
NHH ---> \((1-p)*p*p\)--------------> \(p^2(1-p)\)
HNH----> \((1-p)*p*p\)--------------> \(p^2(1-p)\)


Since this is an "OR" case, add the three scenarios together, and do the algebra.

\([p^2] + [p^2(1-p)] + [p^2(1-p)] < p\)

\(p^2 + 2p^2(1-p) < p\)
\(p^2(1 + 2(1-p)) < p\)
\(p^2(3-2p) < p\)
\(p(3-2p) < 1\)
\(2p^2 - 3p + 1 < 0\)
\((p - \frac{1}{2})(p - 1) < 0\)

∴ \(\frac{1}{2} < p < 1\)


And then you know the given information is sufficient if it tells you whether "p" is between \frac{1}{2} and 1
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I looked at it as follows:

we're comparing prob of success = p under two scenarios : when mike takes one shot and when mike takes 3 shots

prob of success = p
prob of failure = 1 - p = q

when comparing one attempt with three : value of p in the single shot vs at least one p in the three shots ~ (1 - q^3)

Stmt 1 gives mixed results when we try different values for p in the above sentence ~ p vs (1 - q^3)
Stmt 2 gives us clear results when we try at least 0.6 in p vs (1 - q^3)

Hence, B


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Mike recently won a contest in which he will have the opportunity to shoot free throws in order to win $10,000. In order to win the money Mike can either shoot 1 free throw and make it, or shoot 3 free throws and make at least 2 of them. Mike occasionally makes shots and occasionally misses shots. He knows that his probability of making a single free throw is p, and that this probability doesn't change. Would Mike have a better chance of winning if he chose to attempt 3 free throws?

(1) p < 0.7
(2) p > 0.6

I think my approach is completely out of the box and for those who have not brushed themselves yet with probability problems.

I used logic and solved this in less than a minute.

Question asks Would Mike have a better chance of winning if he chose to attempt 3 free throws? Clearly if we can get a definite Yes or No, we get our answer.

Statement 1
p < 0.7

P could be anything from 0 to 0.699
If its 0, probably to attempt 3 free throws would be a better chance at winning; BUT if its 0.699 then we really don't know - attempting 1 throw or 3 free throws (out of which 2 should hit) would be a better shot at winning?

Statement 2:
p > 0.6
Definitely p has to be minimum 0.61 and maximum 1 : clearly attempting one throw would be a better chance to win because with respect to the occasional throw and miss, mike's probability of hitting the target by attempting one throw is much higher than when he attempts 3 free throws.
Sufficient
B is the answer.


I request Moderators to review my explanation and suggest me if using logic in such questions is ALWAYS useful or a risky approach in the actual GMAT exam?
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Mike recently won a contest in which he will have the opportunity to shoot free throws in order to win $10,000. In order to win the money Mike can either shoot 1 free throw and make it, or shoot 3 free throws and make at least 2 of them. Mike occasionally makes shots and occasionally misses shots. He knows that his probability of making a single free throw is p, and that this probability doesn't change. Would Mike have a better chance of winning if he chose to attempt 3 free throws?

The probability of winning for 1 throw = p;
The probability of winning for 3 throw = \(C^2_3p^2(1-p)+p^3=3p^3(1-p)+p^3=p^2(3-2p)\).

The question asks: is \(p^2(3-2p)>p\)? --> is \(p(3-2p)>1\)? --> is \(2p^2-3p+1<0\)? is \((p-\frac{1}{2})(p-1)<0\)? --> is \(\frac{1}{2}<p<1\)?

(1) p < 0.7. Not sufficient.

(2) p > 0.6. Sufficient.


Dear Banuel

I interpreted this - "Mike occasionally makes shots and occasionally misses shots." as the probability of hitting and missing being 50-50. Is that wrong? I got the ans nevertheless as .6 is greater than the overall probability of hitting in exactly 2 shots.

THANKS IN ADVANCE

Answer; B.
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Bunuel I solved it in 3:30 with the same method, how do I solve it in 2:30?
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Question states that Mike occasionally makes shots and occasionally misses them. Thus p ≠ 0 or 1.
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What if the probability of making a successful free throw is 1, in that case option B, p>0.6 cannot be the answer, since the question is really asking if 0.5<p<1 ?
Please correct me if my understanding is wrong..
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Can you please clarify why order does matter here??I solved this problem after solving a problem similar to it,the one where triplets Adam,Bruce and Charlie enter a triathlon.There we needed to find probability that atleast 2 triplets will win a medal.Here we have to find probability of at least two throws going correctly. But still in this problem we are considering order,but not in the triplets problem. Please clarify.

Another way to arrive at this is just to work out the cases. If he has 3 shots and must make two, then he can win if:

HH (He makes the first two shots. Third shot is not needed, he already won.)
NHH (Missed the first, made the second two)
HNH (Made the first and the last)

the probabilities of these three winning scenarios in terms of "p" are:

HH ---> \(p*p\) --------------------> \(p^2\)
NHH ---> \((1-p)*p*p\)--------------> \(p^2(1-p)\)
HNH----> \((1-p)*p*p\)--------------> \(p^2(1-p)\)


Since this is an "OR" case, add the three scenarios together, and do the algebra.

\([p^2] + [p^2(1-p)] + [p^2(1-p)] < p\)

\(p^2 + 2p^2(1-p) < p\)
\(p^2(1 + 2(1-p)) < p\)
\(p^2(3-2p) < p\)
\(p(3-2p) < 1\)
\(2p^2 - 3p + 1 < 0\)
\((p - \frac{1}{2})(p - 1) < 0\)

∴ \(\frac{1}{2} < p < 1\)


And then you know the given information is sufficient if it tells you whether "p" is between \frac{1}{2} and 1
There are some calculation errors:
\(2p^2 - 3p + 1 < 0\)
\((p - \frac{1}{2})(p - 1) < 0\)


The inequality sign at the start of the equation is wrong, it should be greater than ( > ). Otherwise the last few steps are not correct.
\(p(3-2p) < 1\)
After the above step, the solution would be:
\(3p - 2p^2 < 1\)
\(0 < 1 - 3p + 2p^2\)
\(p^2 - 1.5p + 0.5 > 0\)
\(p^2 - 1p - 0.5p + 0.5 > 0\)
\(p(p - 1) - 0.5(p - 1) > 0\)
\((p - 1)(p - 0.5) > 0\)

This is true when p > 1 or p < 0.5.
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hello, How is (p-1/2)(p-1)<0 translating to 1/2<p<1?
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Mike recently won a contest in which he will have the opportunity to shoot free throws in order to win $10,000. In order to win the money Mike can either shoot 1 free throw and make it, or shoot 3 free throws and make at least 2 of them. Mike occasionally makes shots and occasionally misses shots. He knows that his probability of making a single free throw is p, and that this probability doesn't change. Would Mike have a better chance of winning if he chose to attempt 3 free throws?

The probability of winning for 1 throw = p;
The probability of winning for 3 throw = \(C^2_3p^2(1-p)+p^3=3p^3(1-p)+p^3=p^2(3-2p)\).

The question asks: is \(p^2(3-2p)>p\)? --> is \(p(3-2p)>1\)? --> is \(2p^2-3p+1<0\)? is \((p-\frac{1}{2})(p-1)<0\)? --> is \(\frac{1}{2}<p<1\)?

(1) p < 0.7. Not sufficient.

(2) p > 0.6. Sufficient.

Answer; B.
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hello, How is (p-1/2)(p-1)<0 translating to 1/2<p<1?
This is an important concept of inequalities that you must get acquainted with for easier solving of problems.

Please go through this compiled concepts on inequalities for better understanding:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/inequalities ... 06653.html

Now, on to the query in hand:

\((p - 0.5)*(p - 1) < 0\)

LHS has 2 terms whose multiplication is less than 0.
This can only be possible if one of them is positive and the other one is negative.
If both terms are positive, then their product should also be positive, then LHS > 0, but this not possible.
If both terms are negative, then -ve * -ve = +ve, then again LHS > 0, but this is not possible.

Case 1: 1st term is negative, 2nd term is positive
\((p - 0.5) < 0\) and \((p - 1) > 1\)
\(= p < 0.5\) and \(p > 1\)
This situation is not possible as p cannot be less than 0.5 and greater than 1 at the same time.

Case 2: 1st term is positive, 2nd term is negative
\((p - 0.5) > 0 \) and \((p - 1) < 0\)
\(= p > 0.5\) and \( p < 1 \)
= \(0.5 < p < 1 \)

If you analyse it a bit, you will find that LHS has roots as 0.5 and 1, i.e. when p = 0.5 or 1, LHS becomes 0. These 2 values of p are important points around which the value of LHS changes.

If you put it on a number line, all values of p before 0.5 make the whole term of LHS > 0, all values of p after 1 make the whole term of LHS > 0.
At 0.5 and 1, LHS = 0.
And between 0.5 and 1, LHS < 0 - this is the case we need as per the problem.
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