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Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(A) Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it
(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
(C) A poet and painter, Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living at it
(D) Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter
(E) By writing poetry and painting is how Patrick Woodroffe makes a living

The whole sentence is underlined. Though options B and D have different meanings, I don't find any of them is wrong. Can you please elaborate between B and D?
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Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(A) Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it
(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
(C) A poet and painter, Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living at it
(D) Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter
(E) By writing poetry and painting is how Patrick Woodroffe makes a living

The whole sentence is underlined. Though options B and D have different meanings, I don't find any of them is wrong. Can you please elaborate between B and D?


Hi umeshpatil

I think "is able to to make" differs from "makes".
"is able to" = "can". Please see two examples:
(1) He plays soccer every Monday
(2) Ha can play soccer every Monday

The (1) means that the action "play" is done by him every Monday. If you go to the soccer field on Monday, you can see him.
The (2) means he does not play soccer every Monday, but if a coach asks him to play every Monday, he can do so.

Back to your question.
He makes a living as a poet and a painter ==> It means his major income is from selling poems and paintings.
He is able to make a living as a poet and painter ==> it means he has another job, if he lost that job, he could sell poems and paintings to make a living.

The second point is between "as a poet and painter" VS "as a poet and a painter". I absolutely agree with Zarrolou.

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Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(A) Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it
(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
(C) A poet and painter, Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living at it
(D) Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter
(E) By writing poetry and painting is how Patrick Woodroffe makes a living

The whole sentence is underlined. Though options B and D have different meanings, I don't find any of them is wrong. Can you please elaborate between B and D?



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D would never be correct on the GMAT as it changes the meaning of the original sentence.
be able to do sh is far away from do sh. B is the best AC, second "a" can be correctly omitted.
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Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
Parallelism error. It should be as "a poet and 'a' painter"
(D) Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter
Correct. This sentence corrects the error by saying "as a poet and a painter"
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Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
Parallelism error. It should be as "a poet and 'a' painter"


You are wrong. The second article can be omitted.
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You are wrong. The second article can be omitted.


That was rude :-D
Can you please explain why it can be omitted correctly?
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You are wrong. The second article can be omitted.


That was rude :-D
Can you please explain why it can be omitted correctly?


I ment to be heard as I've written that already in this thread once and more than once in other threads. Users simply don't read others' responses but write their own responses straightaway and without any consideration whatsoever. But to the point: in parallel structures you can omit the second preposition, article, operator, etc. To proof this rule just read other genuine RC or CR problems and you will see it applied.
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You are wrong. The second article can be omitted.


That was rude :-D
Can you please explain why it can be omitted correctly?


I ment to be heard as I've written that already in this thread once and more than once in other threads. Users simply don't read others' responses but write their own responses straightaway and without any consideration whatsoever. But to the point: in parallel structures you can omit the second preposition, article, operator, etc. To proof this rule just read other genuine RC or CR problems and you will see it applied.


Control your emotions man ... you don't need to fight to make yourself heard ...
Its not a fight going on here ... everybody has a right to put forth their point and they do so by responding .. that's what i did :)

Your point noted, thanks for helping me.
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I thought sharing knowledge was nice, unlike spreading misleading information and not thanking for a takeaway.

Is this gentleman enough for you? :lol:


I think you need to get your eyes checked ... i explicitly wrote in the post above "your point taken, thanks for the inputs" :)
I believe lets stop this if you want to ... else we can go on and on and on ... posting irrelevant things which will help no one ... like the post you did ...
Anyways ... how did the GMAT go ??
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If i remember correctly you had it on the 27th?
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I think you need to get your eyes checked ... i explicitly wrote in the post above "your point taken, thanks for the inputs" :)
I believe lets stop this if you want to ... else we can go on and on and on ... posting irrelevant things which will help no one ... like the post you did ...
Anyways ... how did the GMAT go ??
How did you fare?
If i remember correctly you had it on the 27th?


Yeah, you should really stop this. I edited the HumptyDumpty post with DiCaprio, removing the image.

Mistakes are made by everyone, and no one "spreads misleading information" on purpose so there is no need to continue this dispute.

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Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(A) Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it
(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
(C) A poet and painter, Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living at it
(D) Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter
(E) By writing poetry and painting is how Patrick Woodroffe makes a living

I think as a x and as a Y is needed. The sentence intends to say that Patrick W made a living as a poet and also as a painter.

D is the correct option. The other have use of "it" without a clear indication of what noun its pointing to. The option D says "as a poet and (as) a painter" IMO.

So it has the correct parallelism.
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Hey Guys,

I agree with you that in this case the second article is needed because it stresses that he does both. But the meaning is changed, thats why I wouldn't take it for a real GMAT question?!
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Anyone have a better method to choose between B/D? They differ in meaning, and both seem to be structurally correct. Thoughts?
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Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(A) Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it
(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
(C) A poet and painter, Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living at it
(D) Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter
(E) By writing poetry and painting is how Patrick Woodroffe makes a living

The whole sentence is underlined. Though options B and D have different meanings, I don't find any of them is wrong. Can you please elaborate between B and D?



Please specify the source.
D would never be correct on the GMAT as it changes the meaning of the original sentence.
be able to do sh is far away from do sh. B is the best AC, second "a" can be correctly omitted.


Hi Humpty,

Will the GMAT SC questions always have the intended meaning in the first answer choice? I've noticed that several problems posted on gmatclub will have answers that change the first answer choice's meaning. Wondering if this rule is absolute or just a guideline. Thanks in advance!
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HumptyDumpty wrote:
umeshpatil wrote:
Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it

(A) Patrick Woodroffe is a poet and painter that is able to make a living at it
(B) Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
(C) A poet and painter, Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living at it
(D) Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter
(E) By writing poetry and painting is how Patrick Woodroffe makes a living

The whole sentence is underlined. Though options B and D have different meanings, I don't find any of them is wrong. Can you please elaborate between B and D?



Please specify the source.
D would never be correct on the GMAT as it changes the meaning of the original sentence.
be able to do sh is far away from do sh. B is the best AC, second "a" can be correctly omitted.


Hi Humpty,

Will the GMAT SC questions always have the intended meaning in the first answer choice? I've noticed that several problems posted on gmatclub will have answers that change the first answer choice's meaning. Wondering if this rule is absolute or just a guideline. Thanks in advance!


I do not think so. Sometimes it is up to us to interpret the intended meaning, but most of the time it is pretty obvious because the original meaning will be nonsensical. In this case, however, the meaning in the original statement is reasonable.
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Between B and D,
B -> Patrick Woodroffe is able to make a living as a poet and painter
D -> Patrick Woodroffe makes a living as a poet and a painter

I would say B is unnecessarily wordy. I play cricket on weekends is always better than I am able to play /I have the capability to play cricket on weekends.
IMO, this is the prime difference between B and D.
Secondly, as a poet and painter would combine to represent an single entity. However a poet and a pointer more clearly states the two individual entities.
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can an expert please elaborate on B vs. D? I see others commentary but it still seems that the prompt has "able to" and D changes the meaning to "makes a living"

How can that be correct?
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I also selected B during my practice session, but later realized that "able to" would be redundant here - as it has already captured in "makes a living."
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