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The governor’s team of advisors, including her education and political strategists, has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal.

has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal
have not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal




can someone explain to me why this is right:
governor’s team of advisors...has
but why this is wrong:
the majority of voters has
seems to me like those are similar where team and majority are both singular, so both should be has?

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young_gun wrote:
The governor’s team of advisors, including her education and political strategists, has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal.

has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal
have not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal




can someone explain to me why this is right:
governor’s team of advisors...has

subject is "The team" which is singular.

but why this is wrong:
the majority of voters has


The majority "of" is different than "the majority". When we talk about the complete entity like "majority" in this case, we use singular. But when the subject is not showing the completeness of the entity, we should use plural.

PS: I was tryign to come up with an excelent example but its not clicking. I will try to get you an example which will further clarify this.



seems to me like those are similar where team and majority are both singular, so both should be has?

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rao_1857 wrote:
young_gun wrote:
The governor’s team of advisors, including her education and political strategists, has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal.

has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal
have not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal




can someone explain to me why this is right:
governor’s team of advisors...has

subject is "The team" which is singular.

but why this is wrong:
the majority of voters has


The majority "of" is different than "the majority". When we talk about the complete entity like "majority" in this case, we use singular. But when the subject is not showing the completeness of the entity, we should use plural.

PS: I was tryign to come up with an excelent example but its not clicking. I will try to get you an example which will further clarify this.



seems to me like those are similar where team and majority are both singular, so both should be has?


thanks for your response but i'm still not understanding what the difference is between:
"the majority of voters" and "the team of advisors"...both seem the same to me, why would it not be HAS in both cases? both majority and team are singular in this case. you said:
When we talk about the complete entity like "majority" in this case, we use singular. But when the subject is not showing the completeness of the entity, we should use plural.
But this could be applied to team also, for example:
the team of advisors has xyz...
vs.
the majority of voters has xyz...

or is "majority/minority" an exception to the rule? if so, are there any other exceptions?

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young_gun wrote:
rao_1857 wrote:
young_gun wrote:
The governor’s team of advisors, including her education and political strategists, has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal.

has not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal
have not been available for comment since the governor released her controversial education reform proposal




can someone explain to me why this is right:
governor’s team of advisors...has

subject is "The team" which is singular.

but why this is wrong:
the majority of voters has


The majority "of" is different than "the majority". When we talk about the complete entity like "majority" in this case, we use singular. But when the subject is not showing the completeness of the entity, we should use plural.

PS: I was tryign to come up with an excelent example but its not clicking. I will try to get you an example which will further clarify this.



seems to me like those are similar where team and majority are both singular, so both should be has?


thanks for your response but i'm still not understanding what the difference is between:
"the majority of voters" and "the team of advisors"...both seem the same to me, why would it not be HAS in both cases? both majority and team are singular in this case. you said:
When we talk about the complete entity like "majority" in this case, we use singular. But when the subject is not showing the completeness of the entity, we should use plural.
But this could be applied to team also, for example:
the team of advisors has xyz...
vs.
the majority of voters has xyz...

or is "majority/minority" an exception to the rule? if so, are there any other exceptions?


The usage of collective nouns :

Whether a collective noun, which is singular in form, is used with a singular or plural verb depends on whether the word is referring to the group as a unit or to its members as individuals. In American English, a collective noun naming an organization regarded as a unit is usually treated as singular: The corporation is holding its annual meeting. The team is having a winning season. The government has taken action. In British English, such nouns are commonly treated as plurals: The corporation are holding their annual meeting. The team are playing well. The government are in agreement. When a collective noun naming a group of persons is treated as singular, it is referred to by the relative pronoun that or which: His crew is one that (or which) works hard. When such a noun is treated as plural, the pronoun is who: His crew are specialists who volunteered for the project. In formal speech and writing, collective nouns are usually not treated as both singular and plural in the same sentence: The enemy is fortifying its (not their) position. The enemy are bringing up their heavy artillery.
When the collective nouns couple and pair refer to people, they are usually treated as plurals: The newly married couple have found a house near good transportation. The pair are busy furnishing their new home. The collective noun number, when preceded by a, is treated as a plural: A number of solutions were suggested. When preceded by the, it is treated as a singular: The number of solutions offered was astounding.
Other common collective nouns are class, crowd, flock, panel, committee, group, audience, staff, and family.

Now consider the examples :
the team is absent or the team is not available or the team has not been available -> the team is singular since common task is performed by all members of the team.

the majority of voters have not turned up -> this says some turned up and some did not =-> not a common action for all so cant treat as singular -> what individual voters are up to?is said here.


Yet another example :
The team are playing in the test matches next week. -> plural since members played indivially
The team wins indo-aussies series -> singular since wins as a single team.
I hope i covered most of the gray areas. :)
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