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Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction—on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs—audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

(A) music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

(B) music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

(C) music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

(D) music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

(E) music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

The original question from GMATPrep question pack I is the following # VSC002708

Trying to disentangle a lot of confusion around this question, I have created this new post to shed light and clear all the possible doubts

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Digital recording is a music lover's dream but a music company's nightmare. Since it offers essentially perfect reproduction--on compact discs, digital audiotapes, digital video discs, or even on music sent across the Internet--audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to the sound's quality. The same capabilities, however, make it easier for fans to avoid paying royalties to recording companies and artists. Joseph Winograd thinks he's found a way to protect the copyrights of digital music.

The misunderstood question, posted by me was this

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction – on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs – audiophiles can accumulate music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

music, transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

Essentially, the question was modified in regards the original by the author of the article for logic purpose. In other words, the author wanted, modifying the original question, to showing the question itself from only a logic standing poinf. He/she modified the pronoun it in the third answer choice replenishing them . Actually, in my opinion they have created TWO potentially answers correct from both grammar and logic point of view

As we well know, that is not possible in the GMAT land: one and only one must be the answer

I have overhauled the thread to create a brand new discussion on this question. you are welcomed.

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The biggest problem in this question is that this is from GMATPREP
Grammatically use of ‘them’ is correct since it the propositional phrase of music cannot be represented by a plural pronoun ‘them’.

Too often, we have heard from authentic sources that a prepositional phrase is a middleman and hence should be ignored while deciding the verb or the pronoun. Grammatically therefore, use of ‘them’ is correct since the singular object of the preposition ‘music’ cannot represent a plural pronoun ‘them’.
On the contrary, logically the pronoun ‘it’ fits in well, because it is not the collections that are intended to be accumulated, by transferring them, bla, but the music.
Now, it is like choosing between the devil and the deep sea (although the simile may not be truly descriptive).However, that GMATPREP seems to prefer the deep sea to the devil is the ultimate take away. B is the OA and hence, logic prevails. Purists please take note.

Consequently, the logical question is whether, this concept has been repeated by the GMAC or any other reputed Institution or is this just a flash in the pan? A definitive direction might help.
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Trying to disentangle a lot of confusion around this question, I have created this new post to shed light and clear all the possible doubts

The original question from GMATPrep question pack I is the following # VSC002708

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction - on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs - audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

a. music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

b. music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

c. music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

d. music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

e. music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

Spoiler: :: OA
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The misunderstood question, posted by me here http://gmatclub.com/forum/since-digital ... l#p1154171 was this

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction – on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs – audiophiles can accumulate music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

music, transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

Essentially, the question was modified in regards the original by the author of the article for logic purpose. In other words, the author wanted, modifying the original question, to showing the question itself from only a logic standing poinf. He/she modified the pronoun it in the third answer choice replenishing them . Actually, in my opinion they have created TWO potentially answers correct from both grammar and logic point of view

As we well know, that is not possible in the GMAT land: one and only one must be the answer

I have overhauled the thread to create a brand new discussion on this question. you are welcomed.

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Hi,
first lets look at the official Question and then compare the choice C of both Qs..
Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction - on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs - audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

a. music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging
pronoun error- them and it;
also wrong pronoun them for 'music'
thirdly little effort and not damaging is not parallel


b. music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to
COrrect.. transferring,copying, and altering are corrctly modifying music..
and parallelism is rectified between above three and between little effort and no damage


c. music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to
parallelism issue
wrong pronoun


d. music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging
change in parallelism by use of and... parallelism issue even in last part

e. music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to
parallelism isssue corrected in 2nd half but persists in initial part
ans B..

now lets see if the Choice C in modified version gives us another correct choice..

original C...
c. music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to
wrong for reasons already discussed

modified C..
music, transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to..
Is this a correct choice.. no..
it is grammatically correct as far as parallelism issue is concerned..
But
1)does 'it' have an intecedent... NO..
it does not point towards music because all items have become parallel to accumulate..
audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and digitallyalter it...
so we can read ..audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music and audiophiles can transfer it from one format to another..WRONG

2) the essence of the meaning that modified the accumulation of music is lost..

so anyway the choice C in modified version is also wrong
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i agree on the process of accumulation BUT to some extent.

The second part of the sentence aka transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it are subordinate actions that the subject does during the main action: the accumulation.

In other words, you accumulate music through the three actions. If we assume that C is correct, even though it is under grammar standing point, we have two actions: accumulate on one hand, transfer and blah blah blah on the other hand, actually.

But I am seriously doubtful that in the real world we do not catch the sense or meaning of the sentence, in either case: B or C.

All in all, we are doing a debate on this because we have time and we learn from this. But in a test environment, in 60 seconds, you do not think at all to the process of accumulation. You pick the right one only and solely because B points out to the right antecedent, because is parallel and because indeed sounds good. That's it
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Why is the subject "music" and not "collections"? I thought that I can simply ignore "of music" as it is a prepositional phrase.
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The original question from GMATPrep question pack I is the following # VSC002708

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction - on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs - audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

a. music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

b. music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

c. music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

d. music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

e. music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to


Since ‘collections’ is the subject, we may reject A, B, D and E straightaway for using the wrong pronoun ‘it’.C is the only answer left, using the plural pronoun 'them' consistently.

Coming to the modified version:

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction – on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs – audiophiles can accumulate music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

music, transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to


Now, the subject is changed to the singular 'music’. Therefore, the plural pronoun 'them' is irrelevant.

So let’s reject A. We can also eliminate D, E, and fouling on parallelism
Now left with B and C, We would have to take C to be superior, since it aptly considers the enlisted functions separate functions, unlike B, in which the acts of transferring, copying, and altering are erroneously taken to be subservient to the main function of accumulating. Therefore, C is the choice.

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Why is the subject "music" and not "collections"? I thought that I can simply ignore "of music" as it is a prepositional phrase.


I would say neither "music", nor "collections" is the subject - "Audiophiles" is the subject. The structure of the sentence is as follows:

1. Main clause: Audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music. (Subject: Audiophiles, verb: can accumulate, object: vast collections of music)
2. Subordinate clause: Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction - on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs -
3. Present participle modifier for "Audiophiles": transferring..., copying... and digitally altering...... ( A present participle modifier can modify the entire preceding clause or the subject of the preceding clause - in this case, the subject "Audiophiles" of the previous clause is modified).

Now the pronoun issue:

In the first case "them" is the correct pronoun, since plural "collections" is referred to. C is the correct answer.
In the modified case "it" is the correct pronoun, since singular "music" is referred to. B is the correct answer.
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Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction - on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs - audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

a. music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

b. music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

c. music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

d. music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

e. music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to
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Its between B and C. We can eliminate C because it has meaning issue as well.

C) music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

Replace them with collections of music and it doesnt make sense to say digitally alter collections of music with little effort and no damage to sound quality. Logically altering collection can't even damage the sound quality.
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Can anyone help with pronoun ambiguity - it - in OA (B). Should we use them to refer to a collection of music

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction
—on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs—

audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of [u]music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to the sound quality

I believe transferring , copying and altering are coma+ verb-ing modifiers that show how audiophiles accumulate vast amount of music
and we are trying to maintain a parallel structure with stem - can accumulate. (can accumulate by x, y and z)
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Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction—on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs—audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

(A) music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

(B) music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

(C) music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

(D) music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

(E) music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to

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Can anyone help with pronoun ambiguity - it - in OA (B). Should we use them to refer to a collection of music

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction
—on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs—

audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to the sound quality

I believe transferring , copying and altering are coma+ verb-ing modifiers that show how audiophiles accumulate vast amount of music
and we are trying to maintain a parallel structure with stem - can accumulate. (can accumulate by x, y and z)

adkikani , although I understand the urge to have perfect command of rules, in a question in which elimination is as easy as it is in this case,
please do not worry about pronoun ambiguity.
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Can anyone help with pronoun ambiguity - it - in OA (B). Should we use them to refer to a collection of music

"them" would be used to refer to "collectionS" of music (the sentence says collections, plural)
"it" would be used to refer to "music"

My view of pronoun ambiguity? Let it be the VERY last reason you eliminate (or choose) an answer.
Literally. The very last.

You can eliminate the other four answers in no time flat because they have glaring parallelism errors.
You can perform this elimination with zero reference to the issue of whether B has pronoun ambiguity.
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we are trying to maintain a parallel structure with stem - can accumulate. (can accumulate by x, y and z)

Yes, you have identified one set of items that must be parallel.
Grammar requires parallelism in other parts of the sentence, too.

These items must be parallel:

1) verbs: transferring, copying, altering / (transfer, copy, alter)
2) adverbial modifiers: little [u]effort, no damage
3) pronouns: it, it, it / or them, them, them
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(A) music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

(B) music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to

(C) music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

(D) music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

(E) music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to


Split #1: verb-ing parallelism
Eliminate C, D, and E. Their verbs are not parallel:
C) transferring, copy, alter
D) transfer, copy, altering
E) transfer, copying, alter

Split #2: pronoun parallelism
Eliminate option A) them, it, it

More issues - parallelism between effort and damage:
A and D have the not-parallel "effort" and "damaging."

ANSWER B (check: parallelism errors? Nope. Your doubt is pronoun ambiguity?
See analysis below. The pronoun "it" in B comprehensibly and logically refers to "music."
Is any other sentence even remotely correct? No?
The answer is B.)

Analysis of pronoun ambiguity in B?
In my opinion, this sentence is not going to win any awards for elegant prose.
But the sentence is the correct answer.

Answer B is correct
1) because GMAC says so;
2) because "it" as the pronoun for "music" is logical and meaningful; and
3) because all the other answers have 100% incorrect answers.

I am not confused in the slightest by what "it" should refer to. "It" refers to music.
How do I know that "it" refers to "music"? Context.

Here are my rules for pronoun ambiguity on the GMAT:
-- in context, does the pronoun have a sensible and decipherable meaning?
-- is there a noun that matches the pronoun's intended meaning?
-- does the noun agree in quantity and sex? (plural/singular, female/male)
-- are there ANY other issues that can eliminate options? Yes? Use those other issues instead of pronoun ambiguity.
-- is the pronoun a dummy or placeholder such as the pronoun in "It rained a lot"? [This group of exceptions is very small]

Although the pronoun "it" for "music" may bother you because it seems to conflict with rules from some sources (those with which I agree included):
-- is the meaning of IT clear from the context? (Yes. We know that this "it" thing can be changed in various ways with ease and without damage.)
-- does IT have a logical antecedent? (Yes. That logical antecedent is "music.")
-- do the noun and pronoun "match"? Yes. Both are singular sexless nouns.

Takeaway? The other four answers are flagrantly incorrect.
Check B for glaring errors. None?
Mark it. Walk away. Spend your time studying just about anything except pronoun ambiguity.

Did I mention that I and many others believe that pronoun ambiguity should be the LAST reason you reject or select an option? :clap:

I hope that helps.
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This question is a real pain in the ass because intuitively I think the antecedent of them is "collections...of music", but you need to consider the meaning of the parallel lists and eliminate for other grammatical issues to arrive at the correct answer:

Since digital recording offers essentially perfect reproduction—on compact discs, digital audiotapes, or digital videodiscs—audiophiles can accumulate vast collections of music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging the sound quality.

Split 1 - the antecedent must be "music" because you can't transfer/ copy/ alter "collections" in the manner described, so the pronoun must be "it"
*Secondly, there are inconsistencies in the use of pronouns - the pronouns move between plural "them" and singular "it" when referring to the same subject.
(A) music, transferring them from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging
(C) music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to

Split 2 - violation of parallelism - can't have participles parallel with verbs
(C) music, transferring them from one format to another, copy them, and digitally alter them with little effort and no damage to
Transferring (participle)..., copy (Verb),... digitally alter (adverb-verb)
Participles can't be parallel with verbs.

(D) music and transfer it from one format to another, copy it, and then digitally altering it with little effort and not damaging

Transfer and copy - base form verbs
altering and damaging - participles.

Participles can't be parallel with verbs.
(E) music and transfer it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally alter it with little effort and no damage to
Transfer (Verb)...,copying (participle), digitally alter (adverb-verb)
Participles can't be parallel with verbs.

(B) music, transferring it from one format to another, copying it, and digitally altering it with little effort and no damage to
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