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23 Oct 2018, 21:33
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In option C, "they" refers to Thai Village crafts and thus it is illogical since Thai village crafts have not developed in other cultures.
1. In "Thai village crafts", Thai and Village are modifiers(adjectives) that modify crafts, but when we use "they" as in option C, "they" refers to the entire phrase "Thai village crafts" and CANNOT refer only to Crafts
2.Whereas in option E, "those" acts as a pronoun and refers ONLY to crafts?
Thai village crafts = village crafts of Thai
I can understand that those can refer ONLY to crafts if we used village crafts of THAI, but I wasn't very sure in the current format-"Thai village crafts"
-Like the poetry of Bruce Willis, that of Chuck Norris is flowery and pretty. -- here that refers to poetry
-Like Bruce Willis' poetry, that of Chuck Norris is flowery and pretty. -- here that refers to poetry
I understand that the term "that" in above examples of Bruce Willis refers to poetry, but wasn't very sure about Thai village crafts.
AjiteshArun , GMATNinja , MagooshExpert , GMATGuruNY , VeritasKarishma , DmitryFarber , ChiranjeevSingh , RonPurewal , VeritasPrepBrian , other experts -please enlighten
23 Oct 2018, 21:57
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Yeah really good question. I'd read it this way - it's not as much (at least to me) about the difference between "they" and "those" as pronouns, but more that (E) (and also (B)) add the word "of." And taken together, "those of" we know is a possessive construction. *That* is what would trigger me to go back and look for the possessive "Thai village crafts" and make sure that I'm matching possessive to possessive (as opposed to carrying the entire construction over to "they.")
One thing that's worked really well for me and for students I've worked with is letting the answer choices alert you to potential errors and lack-of-clarity issues. In a vacuum I don't know that I'd initially see a problem with "they"...but as soon as I see "those of" in a couple answer choices that's a huge signal that possessive comparison/modification is in play here, so *then* I'm looking super carefully for that. (E) makes it really clear that Thai village crafts and village crafts of other countries are separate. In (C) I can see where even if it's not wrong it could be seen as confusing. Consider this as another version:
Thai food, like it is in other Asian countries, is generally spicy but milder options are available.
Are we saying "Thai food" in other Asian countries? Or just "food" in other Asian countries (so Chinese food, Laotian food, whatever)?
But if you say:
Thai food, like the food in other Asian countries, is generally spicy but milder options are available.
It's really clear that we're including all those different native cuisines.
Anyway...to me I don't know that I'd immediately read (C) and think "clarity/meaning error!" But in comparison with (E) I can see where (E) is much clearer than (C) could be, so if you ask me to make the decision then that's what'll be on my mind.
(Also I have to check out some of this Bruce Willis / Chuck Norris poetry now!)
One thing that's worked really well for me and for students I've worked with is letting the answer choices alert you to potential errors and lack-of-clarity issues. In a vacuum I don't know that I'd initially see a problem with "they"...but as soon as I see "those of" in a couple answer choices that's a huge signal that possessive comparison/modification is in play here, so *then* I'm looking super carefully for that. (E) makes it really clear that Thai village crafts and village crafts of other countries are separate. In (C) I can see where even if it's not wrong it could be seen as confusing. Consider this as another version:
Thai food, like it is in other Asian countries, is generally spicy but milder options are available.
Are we saying "Thai food" in other Asian countries? Or just "food" in other Asian countries (so Chinese food, Laotian food, whatever)?
But if you say:
Thai food, like the food in other Asian countries, is generally spicy but milder options are available.
It's really clear that we're including all those different native cuisines.
Anyway...to me I don't know that I'd immediately read (C) and think "clarity/meaning error!" But in comparison with (E) I can see where (E) is much clearer than (C) could be, so if you ask me to make the decision then that's what'll be on my mind.
(Also I have to check out some of this Bruce Willis / Chuck Norris poetry now!)
23 Oct 2018, 23:16
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VeritasPrepBrian - Thanks for your prompt response.
*That* is what would trigger me to go back and look for the possessive "Thai village crafts" and make sure that I'm matching possessive to possessive (as opposed to carrying the entire construction over to "they.") ---> That of and Those of are both possessive construction.
1. Also, you have mentioned that "Thai village crafts" is possessive -->, In my opinion, Thai village's craft is possessive and Thai village craft is just a noun(craft) with two modifiers(adjectives) - Thai and village. Did you simplify(by calling "Thai village crafts" possessive) it to show that both the structures work in the same way in case of that of and those of constructions ?
So did you mean that in case of That of and Those of both the structures -" Thai village crafts" and " Thai village's crafts" are same?
2. Thai Village's crafts --> If we use the pronoun "they", then "they" will refer to the entire phrase "Thai Village's crafts"
, whereas using their(possessive) we can refer to Thai village's
and using those we can refer to crafts?
3. Thai village crafts --> If we use the pronoun "they", then "they" will refer to the entire phrase "Thai Village crafts"
, whereas using those we can refer to "crafts"? (But "their" WON'T work because there is no possessive here? )
4. Thai food, like it is in other Asian countries, is generally spicy but milder options are available.-- This sounds illogical as the pronoun "it" refers to Thai food
Thai food, like that of in other Asian countries, is generally spicy but milder options are available. -- can the Pronoun "that of" refer to the noun food here?
Thai food, like the food in other Asian countries, is generally spicy but milder options are available. -- No pronoun used here, so it's okay
The pronoun "IT" refers to same pronoun whereas "That of" or 'Those of" refers to a copy ?
