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A, C: wrong comparison

In B, "javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however," --> this option uses "and" --> there is no correlation between "sharp point" and "dangerous" --> distorts the meaning because the sharp point makes javelin more dangerous than discus
In D, "javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though" --> this option tries to compare javelin with discus, but "it" can't refer to "javelin" in "javelin's sharp point" --> wrong

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New post 08 Sep 2013, 08:53
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What about "obviously more dangerous" vs "more obviously dangerous"?
What is the difference in the meaning in these two?


IMO, in "obviously more dangerous", "more" modifies "dangerous", not "obviously".
In "more obviously dangerous", "more" modifies "obviously", not "dangerous".
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No, didn't get you.
What is the intended contrast?


To understand why MORE OBVIOUSLY is correct, look at the contrasting word "HOWEVER" and the meaning of the non-underlined portion

The javelin, with its sharp point, is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.
The javelin, with its sharp point, is obviously more dangerous than the discus- This means that "It is CLEAR that Javelin is more dangerous THAN Discus "
the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory - This means that "BUT, Discus is ACTUALLY more dangerous"


The javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.
The javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus - This means that "Javelin is more dangerous Discus Y and this fact is MORE obvious or overt"
the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory - This means that "BUT, Discus is ACTUALLY more dangerous"




It is CLEAR that Javelin is more dangerous THAN Discus, BUT, Discus is ACTUALLY more dangerous
Javelin is more dangerous Discus Y and this fact is MORE obvious or overt, BUT, Discus is ACTUALLY more dangerous


Now try to answer which of the above mentioned sentences show CONTRAST more?
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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.
javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,

We can actually look at other things in the sentence apart from more obviously or obviously more. A is incorrect because it makes a wrong comparison: the sharp point and the javillion . B uses a parallel marker 'and' , which is not correct. Only e remains as it properly uses semi colon to separate the two independent sentences , plus solves the problem by using a modifier for javelin. E wins.
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The intended meaning requires contrast so we need to go with however. B is distorting the meaning hence correct choice is E
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New post 09 Sep 2013, 07:31
To me this is a "tricky" question but hinges on 2 factors:

Noticing that the correct comparison is between Javelin and discus not javelin's point and discus. (Pretty easy to recognize)

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understanding the "more obviously" vs. "obviously more" difference. Fametop explained it very well:

just in lamens: "obviously more dangerous.....however discuss is actually more likely to injure" - doesn't make sense because you've made a conclusive comparative statement and then contradicted that statement.

whereas...

"more obviously" doesn't mean the same thing AT ALL, although I bet if we were to say it in actual speech we WOULD mean the same thing, it would just be an error in speech, but if you actually look at the two words it is just stating that it is more "blatantly clear" that the javelin is dangerous when in actuality the discus is more prone to cause injury.

so the comparison is between a conclusive statement of the "dangerousness" (lol) of each object and a statement of which object is "more blatantly clear (to the naked eye)" to be dangerous.


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New post 05 Nov 2013, 20:49
What an amazing amazing sentence!!! more obviously and obviously more....
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Marcab wrote:
What about "obviously more dangerous" vs "more obviously dangerous"?
What is the difference in the meaning in these two?


dictionary meaning of obvious = a fact that is clearly understood

now,

A. OBVIOUSLY [ more dangerous ] ----- 'obviously' modifies the fact that [ jav. is more dangerous ] .

B. more OBVIOUSLY [ dangerous ] ----- which means [ jav is dangerous ] and [ discuss is dangerous ] ,BUT [ jav is dangerous ] is more OBVIOUS (meaning=clearly understood) than [ discuss is dangerous ].

Its like saying, X is obviously more fit than Y (here, we don't know how they look, but its ASSERTED that X is fitter than Y)

X is more obviously fit than Y (here, we don't know who's actually fitter, but X clearly LOOKS/APPEARS fitter than Y)
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Marcab wrote:
The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.
javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,

Nice question .
More obviously dangerous >>> More - adverb --> modifies ---> Obviously (adverb) --> modifies --> dangerous (adj).
Obviously more dangerous >>> Obviously (adverb) --> modifies --->More - adverb --> modifies --> dangerous (adj).

Both are correct but the prior is the intended meaning.
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Is this really 700+ question, looks little easy to me....Meaning and cut the fluff techniques will land you to correct answer. E.
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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.

1.javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
2.javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
3.javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
4.javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
5.javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,


What is wrong with option B? The statement describes about Jav's sharp point and continues, with a conjunction, to describe the danger of Javelin, isn't it? I did not choose E (which to me had a clear meaning until I got to 'more obviously') But in retrospect, there is nothing wrong with 'more obviously'.
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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.


a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, - which refers to point not to javelin
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however, - meaning error- Javelin is dangerous because of sharp point
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though - point is compared to discuss
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though - no referent for it
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,- correct comparison
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intended meaning: first independent clause >< second independent clause, so the use of "moreover" is wrong, A out.
parallel structure: javelin is contrasted with discus, therefore the subject of the first clause should be javelin => c, e are out

Choice E correctly express the meaning of the sentence in compare with choice B, as the first clause of choice E give the reason why javelin is more dangerous than discus ( because of its sharp point).
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Chose E. more obviously dangerous is the right form.
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I believe I have seen on egmat that semicolon+however is never correct. however makes a clause - a dependent one. with semi-colon, we need to have 2 IC. thus, E cannot be a correct answer.
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The use of 'semicolon and however' is acceptable as far English grammar is concerned; the following links may help to explain that.

http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/ ... hrases.htm

https://www.sonoma.edu/users/f/farahman ... owever.pdf

The following is the response from MGMAT regarding the use of however with a semicolon

https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... t2197.html

So, I feel that E cannot be faulted on that count.
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daagh wrote:
The use of 'semicolon and however' is acceptable as far English grammar is concerned; the following links may help to explain that.

http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/ ... hrases.htm

https://www.sonoma.edu/users/f/farahman ... owever.pdf

The following is the response from MGMAT regarding the use of however with a semicolon

https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... t2197.html

So, I feel that E cannot be faulted on that count.



thanks, will take into consideration. good explanation by Ron.
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New post 06 Jun 2016, 02:33
Answer to this question is B. Choice is between B and E.

B - "obviously more dangerous" usage is correct
E - "more obviously dangerous" is incorrect usage of More.

1. More modifies whatever comes immediately after it. Here More has to modify dangerous.
2. More is an adjective, cannot modify an adverb.

Seeking clarification on Why the correct answer here is E !! It is incorrect and is confusing my understanding.
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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.
javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,


b is wrong because

we need a contrast between is more dangerous and more likely to injure. has a sharpt point can not be in contrast with likely to injure.
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