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11 Jun 2017, 21:47
Modifier Error... So A, B, C can be eliminated easily so left with and E, due to idiomatic error E is eliminated and final answer is D.

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Hasn't this question already been thoroughly beaten to death here? https://gmatclub.com/forum/unlike-frogs ... 51036.html

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Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period, it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.

(A) it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are
(B) it takes the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada three to four years until it reaches adulthood, and therefore it is
(C) in the Sierra Nevada, mountain yellow-legged tree frogs take three to four years to reach adulthood, thus being
(D) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until they reach adulthood, thus
(E) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years to reach adulthood, with the result that they are

GMATNinjaTwo Could you help to explain the phrase "with the result that" in (E)? Does "comma, with" modify the whole preceding clause?

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Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging like socks on a clothesline.

In choice (E), the clause introduced by "with the result that" modifies the verb "take". For example, "I ate, with the result that I was full." To what extent did I eat? To the extent that I was full.

In the park example, the prepositional phrase, "with arms and legs..." functions as an adverb modifying "sleeping". How were the monkeys sleeping? With arms and legs hanging...
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16 Jun 2017, 23:38
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26 Jun 2017, 10:11
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Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period, it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.

(A) it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are
(B) it takes the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada three to four years until it reaches adulthood, and therefore it is
(C) in the Sierra Nevada, mountain yellow-legged tree frogs take three to four years to reach adulthood, thus being
(D) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until they reach adulthood, thus
(E) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years to reach adulthood, and so they are

Unlike frogs..........................., mountain yellow-legged frogs..............
Down to D, E.
E is correct. The right idiom is: X TAKE three or four years TO REACH.

In the original/initial question, the correct option E has ...and so.... And/So both being a conjunction, part of FANBOYS, can we use both together? or is it necessary to use two conjunctions?
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03 Jul 2017, 01:00
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Can anyone explain why D is wrong?

Here's (D) again, inserted into the sentence:

The problem here is that it's not clear what, exactly is restricted to deeper bodies of water -- it almost sounds like "adulthood" is the thing that's restricted, and that doesn't make sense. Much clearer to repeat the subject, as choice (E) does.

Hi GMATNinja,

I understand why D is wrong for the reasons above. Could you tell why the usage of "until" in D is incorrect? Thanks a ton!
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06 Jul 2017, 19:24
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I understand why D is wrong for the reasons above. Could you tell why the usage of "until" in D is incorrect? Thanks a ton!

I'm not sure that there's a great answer to that, unfortunately. I think the GMAT might argue that the correct -- and more direct -- idiom is "take three years to accomplish a task", not "take three years until they accomplish a task." The latter is a mild waste of words, I guess, but I'm not 100% sure that it's wrong. In any case, idioms are, by definition, arbitrary (and here's a long rant about idioms if you haven't already seen it). So there's really no explanation for why one idiom is correct and another isn't.

But more importantly, you're very unlikely to see this particular issue ever again on the GMAT. And even in this question, the idiom isn't the deciding factor at all.

I hope this helps!
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10 Jul 2017, 08:49
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Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period, it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.

(A) it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are
(B) it takes the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada three to four years until it reaches adulthood, and therefore it is
(C) in the Sierra Nevada, mountain yellow-legged tree frogs take three to four years to reach adulthood, thus being
(D) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until they reach adulthood, thus
(E) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years to reach adulthood, and so they are

Unlike frogs..........................., mountain yellow-legged frogs..............
Down to D, E.
E is correct. The right idiom is: X TAKE three or four years TO REACH.

In the original/initial question, the correct option E has ...and so.... And/So both being a conjunction, part of FANBOYS, can we use both together? or is it necessary to use two conjunctions?

I was wondering the same thing. I saw some other threads that say "and so" is wrong. Here is the link to one of them:

The four-million-year-old fossilized skeleton known as Lucy is so small compared with many other skeleton presumed to be of same species, and so some paleontologists have argued that Lucy represents a different lineage.
A. presumed to be of same species, and so - incorrect
B. presumed to be of the same species that - correct. the skeleton is so small......that....
C. presumed that they are of same species, and so - 'they' has no referent
D. that they have presumed to be of the same species, so that - 'they' has no referent
E. that they have presumed are of the same species, and - 'they' has no referent

Maybe because "and so" is wrong so they updated the question and changed "and so" to "with the result that" instead?
GMATNinja would you be so kind to answer one more question please?
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In the original/initial question, the correct option E has ...and so.... And/So both being a conjunction, part of FANBOYS, can we use both together? or is it necessary to use two conjunctions?

I was wondering the same thing. I saw some other threads that say "and so" is wrong. Here is the link to one of them:

The four-million-year-old fossilized skeleton known as Lucy is so small compared with many other skeleton presumed to be of same species, and so some paleontologists have argued that Lucy represents a different lineage.
A. presumed to be of same species, and so - incorrect
B. presumed to be of the same species that - correct. the skeleton is so small......that....
C. presumed that they are of same species, and so - 'they' has no referent
D. that they have presumed to be of the same species, so that - 'they' has no referent
E. that they have presumed are of the same species, and - 'they' has no referent

Maybe because "and so" is wrong so they updated the question and changed "and so" to "with the result that" instead?
GMATNinja would you be so kind to answer one more question please?

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the phrase "and so." There are tons of different uses of the word "so", and in this case, it basically means "therefore" --
and there's no reason why you couldn't use "therefore" with "and."

And for what it's worth, you might not want to take that question about Lucy too seriously. I think it's from some dodgy files that were floating around the internet 10 or 15 years ago, and those questions may or may not represent the style of actual GMAT questions.
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Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period, it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.

(A) it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are
(B) it takes the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada three to four years until it reaches adulthood, and therefore it is
(C) in the Sierra Nevada, mountain yellow-legged tree frogs take three to four years to reach adulthood, thus being
(D) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until they reach adulthood, thus.
--> restricted wrongly modifies adulthood.
(E) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years to reach adulthood, and so they are
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Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period, it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.

(A) it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are
(B) it takes the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada three to four years until it reaches adulthood, and therefore it is
(C) in the Sierra Nevada, mountain yellow-legged tree frogs take three to four years to reach adulthood, thus being
(D) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until they reach adulthood, thus
(E) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years to reach adulthood, and so they are

Unlike frogs..........................., mountain yellow-legged frogs..............
Down to D, E.
E is correct. The right idiom is: X TAKE three or four years TO REACH.

A) "Frogs" are improperly compared to "it" via "unlike."
B) "Frogs" are improperly compared to "it" via "unlike."
C) "Frogs" are improperly compared to "the Sierra Nevada" via "unlike."
D) The phrase after "thus" lacks a verb. "Take... until" is not a correct idiom.
E) Correct.
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25 Aug 2017, 22:29
A, B and C are clearly incorrect because they result in a dangling modifier. The issue with D is not necessarily just the lack of a conventional idiom- but because it is an illogical sentence. X until Y - X is the condition that leads to Y - take three to four years to what?

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IMO E as in A& B- "IT"- unnecessary.
in (C)- wrong placement of modifier. In (D) they is wrong.
So (E) - correct
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Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period, it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.

(A) it takes three to four years for the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada to reach adulthood, and so they are
(B) it takes the mountain yellow-legged frog of the Sierra Nevada three to four years until it reaches adulthood, and therefore it is
(C) in the Sierra Nevada, mountain yellow-legged tree frogs take three to four years to reach adulthood, thus being
(D) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until they reach adulthood, thus

(E) mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years to reach adulthood , and so they are

Hi guys!

Can "they" become a subject for an independent clause? As ", and" creates the part after "," as independent clause?
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Faced the same question in one of the GMAT prep test, but with a slight variation.

You can see the difference in the clause after the comma in Option E, any views how "with the result" is correct?

I generally found sentences/clauses starting "with" to be a bit awkward, any help please..

Generalising often leads to faulty concepts. Nowhere in the GMAT instructions or guides is it stated that "with" is awkward - it all depends on usage. "With" is used to indicate combination or addition. Like majority of the prepositional phrases, here the prepositional phrase "with the result..." is used as a verb modifier to modifiy "take". Taking 3 to 4 years and result happen in combination, indicated by the preposition "with".

I have certain questions of using AND in option E :

AND is used to connect two equally important statements. here, what is the role of AND?
mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years to reach adulthood, [and] so they are
if i remove AND and keep so alone will that not join two independent clause.

similar type in one more question :

Though the law will require emissions testing of all diesel vehicles, from tractor trailers to excursion buses, it will have no effect on sport utility vehicles, almost all of which are gasoline powered and therefore not subject to emissions-control standards as stringent as those for diesel-powered vehicles.

what is the role of AND (marked in green) here?
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I got this question wrong by choosing (D), thinking that (D) is better than (E) in rhetorical sense, but later I noted (D) is grammatically wrong.
- The part [thus restricted to deeper bodies of water...] is a participial phrase. From its position, it modifies "adulthood", but that doesn't make sense. It should be "frogs" who are restricted.
- For [thus restricted to deeper bodies of water...] to modify "frogs", it is too far from the noun it modifies. To do so, it needs to be placed before "take". But then the relationship between "taking 3-4 years to reach adulthood" and "restricted to deeper bodies of water" is gone.
So, [thus restricted to deeper bodies of water...] would be better to be structured either as "verb+prepositional phrase with "frogs" as its subject" or as another clause.
- To be structured as "verb+prepositional phrase with "frogs" as its subject", we need a conjunction, since "thus" is an adverb, and "are".
For example, frogs take 3-4 years to reach adulthood, and thus are restricted...
- To be structured as a clause, then we need a subject, "are", and a device to connect two clauses, since an adverb "thus" alone cannot connect two clauses.
For example, frogs take 3-4 years to reach adulthood, and thus they are restricted...
Or, frogs take 3-4 years to reach adulthood; thus, they are restricted...
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Can anyone explain why D is wrong?

Here's (D) again, inserted into the sentence:

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Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period, the mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until they reach adulthood, thus restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.

The problem here is that it's not clear what, exactly is restricted to deeper bodies of water -- it almost sounds like "adulthood" is the thing that's restricted, and that doesn't make sense. Much clearer to repeat the subject, as choice (E) does.

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Can we reject D for the redundancy of they
they when replaced by its antecedent mountain yellow-legged frogs calls that the second mountain yellow-legged frogs is not required. Why to refer to the subject again!
Unlike frogs that metamorphose from tadpoles into adults within a one-year period,mountain yellow-legged frogs of the Sierra Nevada take three to four years until mountain yellow-legged frogs reach adulthood, thus restricted to deeper bodies of water that do not dry up in summer or freeze solid in winter.
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