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Hello

Verb-ed words act as modifiers when the subject of the sentence is not the doer of the action presented by the verb-ed word. There are different constructions for adding verb-ed modifier in a sentence but can verb-ed modifier follow the subject/ noun without comma?

Is there a need of comma (always) before a verb-ed modifier?


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Hey ccooley and GMAT Ninja

Little confusion here.

1) Which construction of verb-ed is correct here? with comma or without comma?
2) Also what is the correct idiom for consider?
Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art, viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.

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Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.


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You'd definitely need the comma in this case, though the GMAT doesn't really spend a whole lot of time testing you on the specifics of comma use.

And you don't need "as" or "to be" with the word "considered": Elsa is considered the world's greatest artist.

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Hey ccooley and GMAT Ninja

Little confusion here.

1) Which construction of verb-ed is correct here? with comma or without comma?
2) Also what is the correct idiom for consider?
Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art, viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.

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Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.


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I do not agree completely with the usage of comma here.
Comma is used with past participle or verb-ed modifier if it modifies a noun slightly away.
Here 'viewed' is clearly modifying the preceding noun ' flamingo art', so NO comma is required.
A comma can illogically also mean as if Elsa is viewed.
NO comma here is better.

Considered is always used ALONE as also mentioned above.
Considered a fine artist.
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You'd definitely need the comma in this case, though the GMAT doesn't really spend a whole lot of time testing you on the specifics of comma use.

And you don't need "as" or "to be" with the word "considered": Elsa is considered the world's greatest artist.

I hope this helps!

Hey! Thanks for you reply.

But how can we figure out from the sentence that there is a need for a comma?
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Hey ccooley and GMAT Ninja

Little confusion here.

1) Which construction of verb-ed is correct here? with comma or without comma?
2) Also what is the correct idiom for consider?
Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art, viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.

Or

Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.


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Hi,

I do not agree completely with the usage of comma here.
Comma is used with past participle or verb-ed modifier if it modifies a noun slightly away.
Here 'viewed' is clearly modifying the preceding noun ' flamingo art', so NO comma is required.
A comma can illogically also mean as if Elsa is viewed.
NO comma here is better.

Considered is always used ALONE as also mentioned above.
Considered a fine artist.


Hey ! Thanks for your reply.

I saw a similar sentence in the e-gmat file and therefore asked the question here about comma. They have used a comma in a similar way and the sentence is correct. How can we figure out if there is a need for a comma in a sentence ?
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Hey ccooley and GMAT Ninja

Little confusion here.

1) Which construction of verb-ed is correct here? with comma or without comma?
2) Also what is the correct idiom for consider?
Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art, viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.

Or

Elsa is considered as a fine artist for her work Flamingo art viewed by 5 million people at the museum of art every year.


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Hi,

I do not agree completely with the usage of comma here.
Comma is used with past participle or verb-ed modifier if it modifies a noun slightly away.
Here 'viewed' is clearly modifying the preceding noun ' flamingo art', so NO comma is required.
A comma can illogically also mean as if Elsa is viewed.
NO comma here is better.

Considered is always used ALONE as also mentioned above.
Considered a fine artist.


Hey ! Thanks for your reply.

I saw a similar sentence in the e-gmat file and therefore asked the question here about comma. They have used a comma in a similar way and the sentence is correct. How can we figure out if there is a need for a comma in a sentence ?


Hi...
Comma/without comma past participle or verb-ed modifier are generally not tested.
So if you find one testing you on this in actuals will be rarity. There would be most likely some other error that is being tested.

The sentence above has 'viewed' modifying preceding noun 'flamingo art' and, NO WAY, absence of COMMA is wrong.
There are ample examples in OG.
Having said this, there have been few cases where comma has been used.

All in all, don't worry too much on this particular aspect of VERB-ed modifier.
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Okay. Thanks for your reply.
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