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It's great that you're helping applicants be better informed about Wharton.

How important is the 80th percentile in the subscores? My quant is a 72nd percentile and although I did not have a quant-heavy UG experience (some introductory theoretical math and AP Calculus!), I've taken UC Extension courses since then (Calculus, Stat I, Stat II) and gotten A's. My recommenders can certain comment on how well I've handled quantitative work streams. Is this something I need to pay additional to, or will the committee take the view that I can handle MBA math?
A high math percentile is EXPECTED from engineers or number crunching finance types. So in cases where such people fall out of that pattern, adcom starts questioning the applicant's professional qualities. At the same time, these applicants need to worry more about their verbal scores as in their case they are scrutinized more and give more insight into the balance in the initial skill set.

On the other hand, if your background did not involve much of the quant work engineers or equity analysts do, then it is EXPECTED that your verbal score should be in the high range. The focus then shifts to the Quant score, and the goal of the applicant then becomes mitigating the concerns the school may have about the ability of the applicant to handle the quantitative rigor of the program (and Wharton is often considered the most challenging top school from that perspective).

So here's where the 80/80 comes in: it is a universal solution, which eliminates the need to mitigate the GMAT component weaknesses in other parts of the application.

I would say that a higher math score will level the playing field for you at Wharton. Combine that with your UC Extension success, and you've got that part covered in full.
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Hi Xerox,

My GMAT score is 710. Verbal percentile 68 and Quan percentile 99. I've been thinking whether to retake GMAT or not. I'm from Taiwan and therefore took the Toefl exam. My Toefl score is 109/120. Would the Toefl score mitigate the effect of the low GMAT verbal?

Thank you
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CannedPineapples, Xerox

It's great that you're helping applicants be better informed about Wharton.

How important is the 80th percentile in the subscores? My quant is a 72nd percentile and although I did not have a quant-heavy UG experience (some introductory theoretical math and AP Calculus!), I've taken UC Extension courses since then (Calculus, Stat I, Stat II) and gotten A's. My recommenders can certain comment on how well I've handled quantitative work streams. Is this something I need to pay additional to, or will the committee take the view that I can handle MBA math?
A high math percentile is EXPECTED from engineers or number crunching finance types. So in cases where such people fall out of that pattern, adcom starts questioning the applicant's professional qualities. At the same time, these applicants need to worry more about their verbal scores as in their case they are scrutinized more and give more insight into the balance in the initial skill set.

On the other hand, if your background did not involve much of the quant work engineers or equity analysts do, then it is EXPECTED that your verbal score should be in the high range. The focus then shifts to the Quant score, and the goal of the applicant then becomes mitigating the concerns the school may have about the ability of the applicant to handle the quantitative rigor of the program (and Wharton is often considered the most challenging top school from that perspective).

So here's where the 80/80 comes in: it is a universal solution, which eliminates the need to mitigate the GMAT component weaknesses in other parts of the application.

I would say that a higher math score will level the playing field for you at Wharton. Combine that with your UC Extension success, and you've got that part covered in full.

Hi Xerox,

My GMAT score is 710. Verbal percentile 68 and Quan percentile 99. I've been thinking whether to retake GMAT or not. I'm from Taiwan and therefore took the Toefl exam. My Toefl score is 109/120. Would the Toefl score mitigate the effect of the low GMAT verbal?

Thank you
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Chaolien, in my opinion, since you've crossed the 700 mark in the GMAT you don't need to worry about the individual percentiles - you've shown you will be able to handle the level of academic rigor at Wharton and you can offset the slightly lower verbal percentile by many other factors such as writing strong essays, suggesting your recommenders to emphasize on your communication skills and doing well on any potential interview - since you've already scored 700+ and done well on your TOEFL I think your remaining time could be better spent on doing more research on your target schools and writing the best possible essays.
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1. On an average how many "associates/business analysts" from McK/Bain/BCG enter Wharton each year?

2. Considering that getting a MBA is a must to be on the partner track at each of these consulting firms, how important is the candidate's "story" within this applicant pool?

3. Since most of the BAs/Associates are working very long hours at the top consulting firms, there is hardly any time left for any community service/NGO type activity. Will the admissions committee keep this in mind while evaluating a candidates application?

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Chaolien, in my opinion, since you've crossed the 700 mark in the GMAT you don't need to worry about the individual percentiles - you've shown you will be able to handle the level of academic rigor at Wharton and you can offset the slightly lower verbal percentile by many other factors such as writing strong essays, suggesting your recommenders to emphasize on your communication skills and doing well on any potential interview - since you've already scored 700+ and done well on your TOEFL I think your remaining time could be better spent on doing more research on your target schools and writing the best possible essays.[/quote]

Thank you Staind.
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1. On an average how many "associates/business analysts" from McK/Bain/BCG enter Wharton each year?

2. Considering that getting a MBA is a must to be on the partner track at each of these consulting firms, how important is the candidate's "story" within this applicant pool?

3. Since most of the BAs/Associates are working very long hours at the top consulting firms, there is hardly any time left for any community service/NGO type activity. Will the admissions committee keep this in mind while evaluating a candidates application?

Thank you very much!
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I'm not in consulting, but from what I've read most consulting firms offer their services to non-profits and NGOs either free of charge or at a very steep discount. I'm sure that involvement in some of these cases would be looked at the same way.

A good friend of mine is an HBS alum who worked in IB prior to matriculation. He worked ridiculous hours but was still able to show community involvement through our university's alumni association and a scholarship fund he'd created at his church. While he wasn't able to devote 8-10 hours a month mentoring kids, feeding the homeless, or building HFH homes he was able to establish something with impact that pretty much ran itself and only called for him to secure donors, which takes minimal time and can be done via telephone and email. Just a thought.
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Has the school released essay questions yet? if not, usually when adcom starts to post the questions?

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Actially not. Here is the link to the Fall 2010 questions. Last year those were published in June, I suppose you'll see new ones in the nearest future.

https://www.wharton.upenn.edu/mba/admiss ... harton.cfm
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1. On an average how many "associates/business analysts" from McK/Bain/BCG enter Wharton each year?

2. Considering that getting a MBA is a must to be on the partner track at each of these consulting firms, how important is the candidate's "story" within this applicant pool?

3. Since most of the BAs/Associates are working very long hours at the top consulting firms, there is hardly any time left for any community service/NGO type activity. Will the admissions committee keep this in mind while evaluating a candidates application?

Thank you very much!

I'm not in consulting, but from what I've read most consulting firms offer their services to non-profits and NGOs either free of charge or at a very steep discount. I'm sure that involvement in some of these cases would be looked at the same way.

A good friend of mine is an HBS alum who worked in IB prior to matriculation. He worked ridiculous hours but was still able to show community involvement through our university's alumni association and a scholarship fund he'd created at his church. While he wasn't able to devote 8-10 hours a month mentoring kids, feeding the homeless, or building HFH homes he was able to establish something with impact that pretty much ran itself and only called for him to secure donors, which takes minimal time and can be done via telephone and email. Just a thought.
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It was prior or after HBS graduating? I'm asking this since I have kinda the same level of involvement in this activity
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1. On an average how many "associates/business analysts" from McK/Bain/BCG enter Wharton each year?

2. Considering that getting a MBA is a must to be on the partner track at each of these consulting firms, how important is the candidate's "story" within this applicant pool?

3. Since most of the BAs/Associates are working very long hours at the top consulting firms, there is hardly any time left for any community service/NGO type activity. Will the admissions committee keep this in mind while evaluating a candidates application?

Thank you very much!

I'm not in consulting, but from what I've read most consulting firms offer their services to non-profits and NGOs either free of charge or at a very steep discount. I'm sure that involvement in some of these cases would be looked at the same way.

A good friend of mine is an HBS alum who worked in IB prior to matriculation. He worked ridiculous hours but was still able to show community involvement through our university's alumni association and a scholarship fund he'd created at his church. While he wasn't able to devote 8-10 hours a month mentoring kids, feeding the homeless, or building HFH homes he was able to establish something with impact that pretty much ran itself and only called for him to secure donors, which takes minimal time and can be done via telephone and email. Just a thought.


It was prior or after HBS graduating? I'm asking this since I have kinda the same level of involvement in this activity
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This was prior to applying to HBS. He graduated in 2008. As far as I know the scholarship program is still going on today.
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Count me in R2, retaking GMAT.

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I'm in too. R2 Wharton/Lauder reapplicant after agonizing on the waitlist for 2+ deadlines

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I'm in for R1. :-D

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As my hero the Terminator once said, "I'll be back".

I was rejected off the class of 2011 Summer waitlist and now I'm coming back with full force for R1 , class of 2012.

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As my hero the Terminator once said, "I'll be back".

I was rejected off the class of 2011 Summer waitlist and now I'm coming back with full force for R1 , class of 2012.

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Class of 2012 means year of graduation.
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Good luck to everyone! PM me if you need help with defining your application strategy (do you have one at all?)
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Fall 2012 Essays have been posted:

Essays
• First-time applicants and reapplicants are required to complete the same set of essay questions.

REQUIRED QUESTION:
What are your professional objectives?

RESPOND TO 2 OF THE FOLLOWING 3 QUESTIONS:
1. Reflect on a time when you turned down an opportunity. What was the thought process behind your decision? Would you make the same decision today?

2. Discuss a time when you faced a challenging interpersonal experience. How did you navigate the situation and what did you learn from it?

3. "Innovation is central to our culture at Wharton. It is a mentality that must encompass every aspect of the School - whether faculty research, teaching or alumni outreach." - Thomas S. Robertson, Dean, The Wharton School

Keeping this component of our culture in mind, discuss a time when you have been innovative in your personal or professional life.


It doesn't look like the application has gone live, however.
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Fall 2012 Essays have been posted:

Essays
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REQUIRED QUESTION:
What are your professional objectives?

RESPOND TO 2 OF THE FOLLOWING 3 QUESTIONS:
1. Reflect on a time when you turned down an opportunity. What was the thought process behind your decision? Would you make the same decision today?

2. Discuss a time when you faced a challenging interpersonal experience. How did you navigate the situation and what did you learn from it?

3. "Innovation is central to our culture at Wharton. It is a mentality that must encompass every aspect of the School - whether faculty research, teaching or alumni outreach." - Thomas S. Robertson, Dean, The Wharton School

Keeping this component of our culture in mind, discuss a time when you have been innovative in your personal or professional life.


It doesn't look like the application has gone live, however.
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Interesting.. quite some changes from last year.. good luck!
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Fall 2012 Essays have been posted:

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• First-time applicants and reapplicants are required to complete the same set of essay questions.

REQUIRED QUESTION:
What are your professional objectives?

RESPOND TO 2 OF THE FOLLOWING 3 QUESTIONS:
1. Reflect on a time when you turned down an opportunity. What was the thought process behind your decision? Would you make the same decision today?

2. Discuss a time when you faced a challenging interpersonal experience. How did you navigate the situation and what did you learn from it?

3. "Innovation is central to our culture at Wharton. It is a mentality that must encompass every aspect of the School - whether faculty research, teaching or alumni outreach." - Thomas S. Robertson, Dean, The Wharton School

Keeping this component of our culture in mind, discuss a time when you have been innovative in your personal or professional life.


It doesn't look like the application has gone live, however.
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I wanted the "create a new class" question from last year to be repeated. DARN!! I had a great idea for that essay.
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