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# Why You Should Use LSAT Tests for GMAT RC & CR

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Thank you for the kind words, Heseraj! And awesome to hear that you're putting so much effort into RC and CR.

The tough thing about CR and RC in general is that you can hit a plateau really quickly if you're struggling to decipher the language. Tons of practice over time will help, but it can be a long, slow process to get fundamentally better at fighting your way through that nasty LSAT language. So keep at it, and the language part of it will get better!

And if you end up feeling like your progress is slowing down, you might want to check out carcass's post in this thread: https://gmatclub.com/forum/i-am-in-the- ... l#p1148290. There's some good general advice in there.

I'll also post some more general advice about how to approach RC in a Topic of the Week later this month. We talked about general approaches to RC quite a bit in our Wednesday verbal chat, and I'll put some of those ideas into a new thread. You might be too advanced for my basic advice at this point, Heseraj, but keep an eye out anyway, just in case.

And for whatever it's worth: if you can get to about 80% accuracy on the LSAT materials, you'll have a good shot at something around a 40 on GMAT verbal. So you're not too far off!
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Thank you for the kind words, Heseraj! And awesome to hear that you're putting so much effort into RC and CR.

The tough thing about CR and RC in general is that you can hit a plateau really quickly if you're struggling to decipher the language. Tons of practice over time will help, but it can be a long, slow process to get fundamentally better at fighting your way through that nasty LSAT language. So keep at it, and the language part of it will get better!

And if you end up feeling like your progress is slowing down, you might want to check out carcass's post in this thread: https://gmatclub.com/forum/i-am-in-the- ... l#p1148290. There's some good general advice in there.

I'll also post some more general advice about how to approach RC in a Topic of the Week later this month. We talked about general approaches to RC quite a bit in our Wednesday verbal chat, and I'll put some of those ideas into a new thread. You might be too advanced for my basic advice at this point, Heseraj, but keep an eye out anyway, just in case.

And for whatever it's worth: if you can get to about 80% accuracy on the LSAT materials, you'll have a good shot at something around a 40 on GMAT verbal. So you're not too far off!

Thank you very much for the advice. I also read the passage shared by Caracas. It is absolutely right. My path though not easy is not impossible either.
Those comments might be OK for the majority of applicants but perhaps too much for a candidate like me who had to learn everything by himself specially about GMAT. For me, every night is a learning process and every question is another opportunity to learn something new. In fact, i spent 10 minutes solving the passage but more than half hour analyzing my responses, both those that i got right and those that i missed.

Lets see what happens. I will write to you once i needed more focused advice and resources to use.
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Thanks so much for your sharing. Currently im solving 116 LSAT passage. Is it official lsat?

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Are you talking about the 116 LSAT passages word document that's been floating around the internet for a few years? It's not an official LSAT book, and I'm not sure if the passages in there are 100% official, or a mix of official and non-official passages. You can always google the passages to see if they appear anywhere as official passages. And if you're not sure, then maybe an official LSAT book is worth the investment...?
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Are you talking about the 116 LSAT passages word document that's been floating around the internet for a few years? It's not an official LSAT book, and I'm not sure if the passages in there are 100% official, or a mix of official and non-official passages. You can always google the passages to see if they appear anywhere as official passages. And if you're not sure, then maybe an official LSAT book is worth the investment...?

I do have exam 62 to 72 and two books for its explanation. However, i am willing to purchase ten more exams. Which one do you suggest? The ones i purchased are shared below:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19279 ... UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19279 ... UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/09860 ... UTF8&psc=1

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Pretty much all of the "10 LSAT PrepTests" books are the same. I guess I'd mildly recommend one of the slightly older ones, since they don't include those comparative reading RC passages -- so anything before PrepTest #60 or so. The Next 10 Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests is my default (tests #29-38), but you can't go wrong with any of them.

Out of curiosity, are you finding those LSAT Hacks explanations useful?
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Pretty much all of the "10 LSAT PrepTests" books are the same. I guess I'd mildly recommend one of the slightly older ones, since they don't include those comparative reading RC passages -- so anything before PrepTest #60 or so. The Next 10 Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests is my default (tests #29-38), but you can't go wrong with any of them.

Out of curiosity, are you finding those LSAT Hacks explanations useful?

Well, i might not exactly understand the point of your question. But i can say yes. Why? Because, at least, i can compare my line of thinking with that of another one. Even if i learn one single point from those books, it will be good.

In the meantime, i am open and really appreciate if you could refer me to some good resources.
I also purchased three books for verbal (SC, RC and CR) from Powerscore, the three of which i found very helpful specially critical reasoning.
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GMATNinja wrote:
Pretty much all of the "10 LSAT PrepTests" books are the same. I guess I'd mildly recommend one of the slightly older ones, since they don't include those comparative reading RC passages -- so anything before PrepTest #60 or so. The Next 10 Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests is my default (tests #29-38), but you can't go wrong with any of them.

Out of curiosity, are you finding those LSAT Hacks explanations useful?

Well, i might not exactly understand the point of your question. But i can say yes. Why? Because, at least, i can compare my line of thinking with that of another one. Even if i learn one single point from those books, it will be good.

In the meantime, i am open and really appreciate if you could refer me to some good resources.
I also purchased three books for verbal (SC, RC and CR) from Powerscore, the three of which i found very helpful specially critical reasoning.

Hello,
It's very inspiring to see that somebody Works hard too.
Which powerscore books did you buy? For GMAT or LSAT? If you bought the GMAT books, are they enought to work on the LSAT tests? Or should i buy the LSAT Powerscore books right from the beggining?
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So is it true that you become a verbal Ninja after solving LSAT questions?
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So is it true that you become a verbal Ninja after solving LSAT questions?

Well, my wife became an unhappy attorney after solving LSAT questions...
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Shiv2016 wrote:
So is it true that you become a verbal Ninja after solving LSAT questions?

Well, my wife became an unhappy attorney after solving LSAT questions...

GmatNinja, as per below link someone mentioned that not all CR LSAT questions are applicable for GMAT. Do you have boundaries/ suggestion which CR and RC question we need to practice for the GMAT.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/lsat-gmat-16 ... fl=similar

I also found out that in LSAT RC the students are using VIEWSTAMP (View, Structure, Tone, Argument, Main Point, Primary Purpose)methods. But it seems there are no such discussion for this method in the Gmatclub, Are this method in your opinion applicable to GMAT?
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Hi GmatNinja ,

Its really helpful ...I am not doing LSAT question explicitly but there are a lot of good CR question floating in this forum.I found that difficult than GMAT CR .
what i observed is LSAT CR (Strengthen /assumption ) requires multilevel thinking to reach a particular point.unlike in GMAT CR (mostly), the answer will be exactly to the point (may be convoluted by wordings)...and if a answer choice requires multilevel thinking that answer choice is mostly wrong in GMAT .
just was curious to know, would LSAT question hamper the thinking process required in GMAT CR or just i am thinking too much
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GmatNinja, as per below link someone mentioned that not all CR LSAT questions are applicable for GMAT. Do you have boundaries/ suggestion which CR and RC question we need to practice for the GMAT.
https://gmatclub.com/forum/lsat-gmat-16 ... fl=similar

Good question! I think it depends on what you're trying to accomplish by doing LSATs.

For test-takers who are already doing well on CR and RC and want a super-elite GMAT verbal score (mid-40s), I think that the LSAT is fantastic, just because it's really going to challenge your ability to power your way through miserably dense language. Sure, there are differences between LSAT and GMAT questions, but those differences aren't all THAT huge: the bottom line is that both will test the precision of your reading and logic. If you're already doing well on verbal and you're just fighting for every last inch, the differences between the LSAT and GMAT aren't terribly significant, and there's no reason to omit any particular LSAT question types. (See reason #3, above.)

If you're struggling a little bit more on verbal, I think LSATs can still be good, mostly because the language is really really hard, so it's a great "reading workout" if that's what you need. But I think the differences between LSAT and GMAT start to matter more if you're not already super-advanced, or if you're struggling with the logic of the questions more than you're struggling with the precision of your reading. The parallel reasoning questions can be absolutely brutal if you're not used to them, so it's not a big deal if you want to skip those, since they don't appear very often on the GMAT. Also not a big deal if you want to skip some of the LSAT questions that rely heavily on formal legal-sounding language -- sure, those might help you in the long run with GMAT boldfaced CRs, but you don't strictly NEED to do them.

In general, we assign full LSAT sections to nearly all of our students, since most of them are fighting hard for scores in the mid-700s. But that may or may not be the right thing for you. And if most of your errors are coming on question styles that don't generally appear on the GMAT, that's probably perfectly fine.

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I also found out that in LSAT RC the students are using VIEWSTAMP (View, Structure, Tone, Argument, Main Point, Primary Purpose)methods. But it seems there are no such discussion for this method in the Gmatclub, Are this method in your opinion applicable to GMAT?

I don't use that particular acronym (which comes, I believe, from PowerScore), but I basically advocate similar methods here, just in a more stripped-down way: https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topi ... 41004.html.
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Hi GmatNinja ,

Its really helpful ...I am not doing LSAT question explicitly but there are a lot of good CR question floating in this forum.I found that difficult than GMAT CR .
what i observed is LSAT CR (Strengthen /assumption ) requires multilevel thinking to reach a particular point.unlike in GMAT CR (mostly), the answer will be exactly to the point (may be convoluted by wordings)...and if a answer choice requires multilevel thinking that answer choice is mostly wrong in GMAT .
just was curious to know, would LSAT question hamper the thinking process required in GMAT CR or just i am thinking too much
Thanks.

I have no reason to think that doing LSATs would ever actually hamper your thinking process on the GMAT. The fundamental logic is still the same. Sure, you could argue that LSAT questions tend to be a little bit more complex on average (especially those parallel reasoning questions -- they're nasty), but the LSAT isn't going to teach you anything that would somehow be wrong on the GMAT. So I wouldn't worry about that. It's just a question of whether you really need LSATs. If the GMAT materials are enough to get you to your goals, awesome!

I do think that LSAT and GMAT questions can feel really different, though. The LSAT loves more abstract, deductive logic, and the LSAT has more legal and philosophical topics. The GMAT loves to give you passages that are more aligned with things you'd discuss in the real world, such as economics or business or politics. So if you end up using the LSAT, it's always wise to do more GMAT questions as you get closer to your actual exam, just so you don't find the GMAT questions jarring. For most people, the GMAT will just feel MUCH easier after you've done a bunch of LSATs. But still, it's always good to make sure that you're re-calibrated to the GMAT by test day.

I hope this helps!
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For more on the LSAT, check out this fantastic thread from a few years ago: https://gmatclub.com/forum/lsat-books-f ... 97191.html

Hi,

I wanted to check if threre is any free source for LSAT RC passages..with explanations?

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Hi,

I wanted to check if threre is any free source for LSAT RC passages..with explanations?

Shinrai

Free? No, there's not much out there. There's a full, free LSAT available on the LSAT website, along with a few additional practice questions, but there are no explanations for the full practice test: https://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/preparing-for-the-lsat

Unfortunately, if you want more than that, you'll either have to pay for it, or violate some copyright laws. And keep in mind that the LSAT generally doesn't write official explanations, except for in the SuperPrep book series.

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shinrai15 wrote:

Hi,

I wanted to check if threre is any free source for LSAT RC passages..with explanations?

Shinrai

Free? No, there's not much out there. There's a full, free LSAT available on the LSAT website, along with a few additional practice questions, but there are no explanations for the full practice test: https://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/preparing-for-the-lsat

Unfortunately, if you want more than that, you'll either have to pay for it, or violate some copyright laws. And keep in mind that the LSAT generally doesn't write official explanations, except for in the SuperPrep book series.

Have fun studying!

Hi,

So after going through a couple forums, I found a LSAT RC file with 116 questions. As you mentioned this file just has the correct answers choice given, without any explanation. Do you think it will still be beneficial to go ahead and practice these questions? My doubt is how to evaluate answers which are wrong after my practice?