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Re: With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication [#permalink]
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With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested
that Impressionism had evolved
in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise,
albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.
• With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested
that Impressionism had evolved
• Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians
that Impressionism evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact
duplication of detail, had evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact
duplication of detail, evolved
• Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested
by art historians to have evolved


can some one please explain how its in option C/D fit well over here.. I am not getting the meaning of sentence clearly


1. Take away A and C -- had evolved.
2. Take way E - to have evolved

Between B and D I chose D
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With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested
that Impressionism had evolved
in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise,
albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.
• With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested
that Impressionism had evolved
• Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians
that Impressionism evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact
duplication of detail, had evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact
duplication of detail, evolved
• Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested
by art historians to have evolved


Why not C)

I guess there is a sequence of the events and "had" is required.
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With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested
that Impressionism had evolved
in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise,
albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.
• With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested
that Impressionism had evolved
• Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians
that Impressionism evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact
duplication of detail, had evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact
duplication of detail, evolved
• Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested
by art historians to have evolved


Why not C)

I guess there is a sequence of the events and "had" is required.


Art historians have suggested that Impressionism evolved in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise,
albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.

I deleted the modifying phrase.If adds HAD before evolved,awkward and irrational.
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With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested
that Impressionism had evolved
in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise,
albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.

INCORRECT PORTIONS HIGHLIGHTED......

With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggestedthat Impressionismhad evolved
• Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians that Impressionism evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, had evolved
• Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, evolved...CORRECT...
• Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested by art historians to have evolved
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Confused b/w "C" & "D"..?? Here is the reason why "D" is correct.

>> the historians suggestion is still occurring (present perfect tense), the past perfect tense “had evolved” is not appropriate, and should simply be the simple past tense “evolved.” Therefore "C" is incorrect

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The use of past perfect tense is C because 'impressionism had evolved' and 'photography allowed' are not two related events in past and so sequencing of these events is not required and simple past tense will suffice...

Moreover if we use past perfect tense it gives a wrong sense that impressionism evolved earlier as it is mentioned in past perfect tense form than photography - this actually changes the meaning because impressionism evolved in response to photography.
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D..there is no need for 'had' since art historians 'have suggested'..
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Re: With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication [#permalink]
I was stuck between C and D.

Can you please explain why 'had' is not necessary?

Another example: I have suggested that we play basketball, but the game had evolved from the 90s to present day. Is this incorrect as well?
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I was stuck between C and D.

Can you please explain why 'had' is not necessary?

Another example: I have suggested that we play basketball, but the game had evolved from the 90s to present day. Is this incorrect as well?


Yes, the sentence would be wrong. Past perfect is used only in case the two events are related to each other. For completely unrelated events (which has no bearing to each other whatsoever), the use of past perfect would be wrong.
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With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved[/u] in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise, albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.

(A) With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved
After start with "With an emphasis on color" we can not continue by "art historians"

(B) Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians that Impressionism evolved
"It" in the middle of the sentence makes no sense

(C) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, had evolved
Good, but past perfect is wrong, ther is no action in the past before some other action in the past

(D) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, evolved
Good. There is no such mistake as in C

(E) Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested by art historians to have evolved
to difficult - no way
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Here use of had is completely necessary as we are not comparing any two events on different timeline. A,C out. E out because of awkward structure . Between B and D ,B has it which does not have clear antecedent. so D

With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise, albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.

(A) With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved

(B) Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians that Impressionism evolved

(C) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, had evolved

(D) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, evolved

(E) Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested by art historians to have evolved
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Is it possible that neither of the options are correct?

How do we select which is less wrong?
C and D definitely modify the meaning of the sentence stated in the question. The original sentence states "emphasis on color......" as how the scientists came to the conclusion however D and E suggest "emphasis on color......" is description of Impressionism.
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It is clear case of subjunctive.So,A, C & E clearly eliminated. Now remain B & D.
But in B there is a problem with dangling modifier which is not connected with its subject in the second clause so option B also eliminated.Correct answer is D.

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With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise, albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.

(A) With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved

(B) Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians that Impressionism evolved

(C) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, had evolved

(D) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, evolved

(E) Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested by art historians to have evolved


Hi KarishmaB

I have a doubt in choice D regarding the subjunctive form.

In choice D the form {have + "suggested" + that} needs a subjunctive verb to follow, but in the OA it is simple past. I am confused here. What am I missing?
I understand that the sentence is talking about a past event, but if we have words that need subjunctive verb, then which one are we supposed to use "the simple past or the plural form".

Can you please state some examples to clarify distinction between subjunctive verb for a past event and subjunctive verb for a present event.
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With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise, albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.

(A) With an emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, art historians have suggested that Impressionism had evolved

(B) Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians that Impressionism evolved

(C) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, had evolved

(D) Art historians have suggested that Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, evolved

(E) Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested by art historians to have evolved


Hi KarishmaB

I have a doubt in choice D regarding the subjunctive form.

In choice D the form {have + "suggested" + that} needs a subjunctive verb to follow, but in the OA it is simple past. I am confused here. What am I missing?
I understand that the sentence is talking about a past event, but if we have words that need subjunctive verb, then which one are we supposed to use "the simple past or the plural form".

Can you please state some examples to clarify distinction between subjunctive verb for a past event and subjunctive verb for a present event.


This is not a problem of the tenses. We don't need to use subjunctive here.

When we say that "suggested" needs subjunctive, we mean when someone is making a suggestion.

He suggested that I buy a house. - there is a suggestion made

In our original sentence, there is no suggestion. I can easily replace "suggested" by said/told/explained/confirmed/proposed etc. So we will not use subjunctive here.
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Hi experts, can you please help me with the analysis of this sentence

A - Misplaced modifier also "had evolved" seems to be correct

had evolved in response to the advent of black-and-white photography, which allowed precise, albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape.

Evolution happened first and this evolution allowed precise, albeit monochromatic, pictorial reproduction of a landscape


B- Emphasizing color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, it has been suggested by art historians
>> Impressionism is not suggested by art historian, as in art historian are not saying that practise impressionism but they are givning their view on it

E - Meaning error - Impressionism, with its emphasis on color and form at the expense of exact duplication of detail, was suggested by art historians to have evolved

Same meaning error as B
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