GMAT Question of the Day: Daily via email | Daily via Instagram New to GMAT Club? Watch this Video

 It is currently 25 Feb 2020, 11:03

### GMAT Club Daily Prep

#### Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

# Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are

Author Message
TAGS:

### Hide Tags

Manager
Joined: 20 Oct 2013
Posts: 50
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

29 Apr 2014, 10:06
Hi

How to identify when the qs is meaning to say exactly 2 overlaps and when the qs means otherwise? This qs seemed like it meant exactly 2.
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
Posts: 10113
Location: Pune, India
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

29 Apr 2014, 22:26
2
nandinigaur wrote:
Hi

How to identify when the qs is meaning to say exactly 2 overlaps and when the qs means otherwise? This qs seemed like it meant exactly 2.

The question will have words such as 'only' or 'exactly' when it wants to specify that n number of people are in exactly 2 teams.
10 people belong to A and B implies that there are 10 people who belong to both. Some of them could belong to another set C too but that information is not available. All we know is that 10 belong to both A and B.
_________________
Karishma
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor

Manager
Joined: 28 Apr 2014
Posts: 188
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

05 May 2014, 19:55
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
nandinigaur wrote:
Hi

How to identify when the qs is meaning to say exactly 2 overlaps and when the qs means otherwise? This qs seemed like it meant exactly 2.

The question will have words such as 'only' or 'exactly' when it wants to specify that n number of people are in exactly 2 teams.
10 people belong to A and B implies that there are 10 people who belong to both. Some of them could belong to another set C too but that information is not available. All we know is that 10 belong to both A and B.

Thanks Karishma .. This was confusing me as well.
Manager
Joined: 20 Oct 2013
Posts: 50
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

06 May 2014, 04:13
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
nandinigaur wrote:
Hi

How to identify when the qs is meaning to say exactly 2 overlaps and when the qs means otherwise? This qs seemed like it meant exactly 2.

The question will have words such as 'only' or 'exactly' when it wants to specify that n number of people are in exactly 2 teams.
10 people belong to A and B implies that there are 10 people who belong to both. Some of them could belong to another set C too but that information is not available. All we know is that 10 belong to both A and B.

Dear Karishma

I thought i understood but then i saw the following qs:

In a consumer survey, 85% of those surveyed liked at least one of three products: 1, 2, and 3. 50% of those asked liked product 1, 30% liked product 2, and 20% liked product 3. If 5% of the people in the survey liked all three of the products, what percentage of the survey participants liked more than one of the three products?

in this how to know that we r being asked: people in exactly 2 grps + people in exactly 3 grps... no word is mentioned....
Math Expert
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 61484
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

06 May 2014, 07:39
nandinigaur wrote:
VeritasPrepKarishma wrote:
nandinigaur wrote:
Hi

How to identify when the qs is meaning to say exactly 2 overlaps and when the qs means otherwise? This qs seemed like it meant exactly 2.

The question will have words such as 'only' or 'exactly' when it wants to specify that n number of people are in exactly 2 teams.
10 people belong to A and B implies that there are 10 people who belong to both. Some of them could belong to another set C too but that information is not available. All we know is that 10 belong to both A and B.

Dear Karishma

I thought i understood but then i saw the following qs:

In a consumer survey, 85% of those surveyed liked at least one of three products: 1, 2, and 3. 50% of those asked liked product 1, 30% liked product 2, and 20% liked product 3. If 5% of the people in the survey liked all three of the products, what percentage of the survey participants liked more than one of the three products?

in this how to know that we r being asked: people in exactly 2 grps + people in exactly 3 grps... no word is mentioned....

This question is discussed here: in-a-consumer-survey-85-of-those-surveyed-liked-at-least-98018.html

Hope it helps.
_________________
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
Posts: 10113
Location: Pune, India
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

06 May 2014, 22:26
nandinigaur wrote:
I thought i understood but then i saw the following qs:

In a consumer survey, 85% of those surveyed liked at least one of three products: 1, 2, and 3. 50% of those asked liked product 1, 30% liked product 2, and 20% liked product 3. If 5% of the people in the survey liked all three of the products, what percentage of the survey participants liked more than one of the three products?

in this how to know that we r being asked: people in exactly 2 grps + people in exactly 3 grps... no word is mentioned....

If the question wants to tell you the number of people who like 2 products but not all 3, it will say "30% people liked exactly two products."
Or "52% people liked only one of these products" when it wants to tell you that 52% people liked just a single product and did not like other two products and so on...

In this particular question, you are asked to find the number of people who liked more than one of the three products. This means you want the number of people who liked either 2 of the 3 products or all three products.
So you are looking for "people in exactly 2 grps + people in exactly 3 grps".

Note that you can calculate this in two ways:

Method 1:
people in exactly 2 grps + people in exactly 3 grps

Method 2:
people in 2 grps (including those in all three groups too) - 2* people in 3 grps (because they have been counted 3 times while counting people in 2 groups)

Check out this post for more on three overlapping sets: http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2012/09 ... ping-sets/
_________________
Karishma
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor

Manager
Joined: 28 Dec 2013
Posts: 65
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

25 Jun 2014, 09:16
[quote="Bunuel"]Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are placed on at least one team. 20 are on the marketing team, 30 are on the Sales team, and 40 are on the Vision team. 5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams, 6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams, 9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams, and 4 workers are on all three teams. How many workers are there in total?

Translating:
"are placed on at least one team": members of none =0;
"20 are on the marketing team": M=20;
"30 are on the Sales team": S=30;
"40 are on the Vision team": V=40;
"5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams": MnS=5, note here that some from these 5 can be the members of Vision team as well, MnS is sections d an g on the diagram (assuming Marketing = A, Sales = B and Vision = C);
"6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams": SnV=6 (the same as above sections f an g);
"9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams": MnV=9.
"4 workers are on all three teams": MnSnV=4, section 4.

Question: Total=?

Applying first formula as we have intersections of two groups and not the number of only (exactly) 2 group members:

$$Total=M+S+V-(MnS+MnV+SnV)+MnSnV+Neither=20+30+40-(5+6+9)+4+0=74$$.

Why are we adding (5+6+9) when the formula has subtraction in it : (sum of exactly 2 - group overlaps) ?

Thanks
Math Expert
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 61484
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

25 Jun 2014, 09:19
sagnik242 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are placed on at least one team. 20 are on the marketing team, 30 are on the Sales team, and 40 are on the Vision team. 5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams, 6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams, 9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams, and 4 workers are on all three teams. How many workers are there in total?

Translating:
"are placed on at least one team": members of none =0;
"20 are on the marketing team": M=20;
"30 are on the Sales team": S=30;
"40 are on the Vision team": V=40;
"5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams": MnS=5, note here that some from these 5 can be the members of Vision team as well, MnS is sections d an g on the diagram (assuming Marketing = A, Sales = B and Vision = C);
"6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams": SnV=6 (the same as above sections f an g);
"9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams": MnV=9.
"4 workers are on all three teams": MnSnV=4, section 4.

Question: Total=?

Applying first formula as we have intersections of two groups and not the number of only (exactly) 2 group members:

$$Total=M+S+V-(MnS+MnV+SnV)+MnSnV+Neither=20+30+40-(5+6+9)+4+0=74$$.

Why are we adding (5+6+9) when the formula has subtraction in it : (sum of exactly 2 - group overlaps) ?

Thanks

Because MnS+MnV+SnV gives 2-group overlaps.
_________________
Intern
Joined: 22 Feb 2014
Posts: 24
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

09 Jul 2014, 07:58
Bunuel wrote:
alexjoh89 wrote:
I have a question. If the formula is:

Total = Group1 + Group2 + Group3 - (sum of 2-group overlaps) - 2*(all three) + Neither

why is it then + 4 instead of -2*4?

There are two formulas for 3 overlapping sets:
$$Total = A + B + C - (sum \ of \ 2-group \ overlaps) + (all \ three) + Neither$$.

$$Total = A + B + C - (sum \ of \ EXACTLY \ 2-group \ overlaps) - 2*(all \ three) + Neither$$.

For more check here: ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS

If I use second formula answer comes different.. Am i making any mistake?? Please correct

20+30+40- (20)- 2(4)+0
90-28 = 62

Math Expert
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
Posts: 61484
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

09 Jul 2014, 08:03
GGMAT730 wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
alexjoh89 wrote:
I have a question. If the formula is:

Total = Group1 + Group2 + Group3 - (sum of 2-group overlaps) - 2*(all three) + Neither

why is it then + 4 instead of -2*4?

There are two formulas for 3 overlapping sets:
$$Total = A + B + C - (sum \ of \ 2-group \ overlaps) + (all \ three) + Neither$$.

$$Total = A + B + C - (sum \ of \ EXACTLY \ 2-group \ overlaps) - 2*(all \ three) + Neither$$.

For more check here: ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS

If I use second formula answer comes different.. Am i making any mistake?? Please correct

20+30+40- (20)- 2(4)+0
90-28 = 62

They DO give the same answer when applied properly.

As I wrote in my post above: we are applying first formula as we have intersections of two groups and not the number of only (exactly) 2 group members.

You should understand those formulas, know when to apply which and not simply memorize them.
_________________
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
Posts: 10113
Location: Pune, India
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

09 Jul 2014, 21:29
GGMAT760 wrote:

If I use second formula answer comes different.. Am i making any mistake?? Please correct

20+30+40- (20)- 2(4)+0
90-28 = 62

You should understand the concept of the two formulas. They will obviously give the same answer but the inputs they require are different.

Bunuel has given two formulas:

$$Total = A + B + C- (sum \ of \ 2-group \ overlaps) + (all \ three) + Neither$$.

$$Total = A + B + C- (sum \ of \ EXACTLY \ 2-group \ overlaps) - 2*(all \ three) + Neither$$.

Note that inputs are different.

In formula 1, you subtract sum of 2 group overlaps, it contains all three thrice and hence all three gets completely removed. So you put it back in.

In formula 2, you subtract sum of exactly two groups and hence it contains no elements of all three. All three has been counted three times in A, B and C and hence you subtract it twice.

You can usually solve these questions with venn diagrams if formulas confuse you.

Check out this post for more on three overlapping sets: http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2012/09 ... ping-sets/
_________________
Karishma
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor

Intern
Joined: 12 Aug 2015
Posts: 1
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

20 Aug 2015, 23:27
Answer is 62. Solved by both equations:

Hi, for all that are confused as to why there are 2 different answers from the given 2 equations,
There are two formulas for 3 overlapping sets:
Total=A+B+C−(sum of 2−group overlaps)+(all three)+Neither.

Total=A+B+C−(sum of EXACTLY 2−group overlaps)−2∗(all three)+Neither

The answer is supposed to be 62 for both of them.

For 1st Equation, as it is a sum of 2 group overlaps, it will also include the common(all three) 4 part with it.
Total=A+B+C−(sum of 2−group overlaps)+(all three)+Neither
Total= 20+30+40-((5+4)+(9+4)+(6+4))+4+0=62
=90-32+4
=62
For 2nd Equation, as it is a sum of 2 Exactly group overlaps, it will not include the common 4 part with it.

Total=A+B+C−(sum of EXACTLY 2−group overlaps)−2∗(all three)+Neither
=20+30+40-(5+9+6)-2*4+0
=90-20-8
=62

I hope I am right, and I hope everyone got it.
Manager
Joined: 10 Jun 2015
Posts: 110
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

21 Aug 2015, 03:37
BarneyStinson wrote:
Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are placed on at least one team. 20 are on the marketing team, 30 are on the Sales team, and 40 are on the Vision team. 5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams, 6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams, 9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams, and 4 workers are on all three teams. How many workers are there in total?

Use venn diagram for this problem. Just fill the number of workers in the 7 regions.
since 4 workers are on all teams, the workers on both M and S but not V will be 5-4=1
the workers on both S and V but not on M =6-4=2
the workers on both M and V but not on S =9-4=5
M only is 20-(1+4+5)=10
S only is 30-(1+2+4)=23
V only is 40-(2+4+5)=29
therefore, the total workers =4+1+2+5+10+23+29=74
Intern
Joined: 26 May 2014
Posts: 38
Location: India
Concentration: General Management, Technology
WE: Information Technology (Computer Software)
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

26 Jul 2016, 12:39
"20 are on the marketing team, 30 are on the Sales team, and 40 are on the Vision team"

How do we know 20 , 30 and 40 are not intersection values . For eg. if 20 were placed in marketing, 4 out of them could be in Sales also, so how did we assume M=20 ?Likewise for values of S and V
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor
Joined: 16 Oct 2010
Posts: 10113
Location: Pune, India
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

26 Jul 2016, 21:27
devbond wrote:
"20 are on the marketing team, 30 are on the Sales team, and 40 are on the Vision team"

How do we know 20 , 30 and 40 are not intersection values . For eg. if 20 were placed in marketing, 4 out of them could be in Sales also, so how did we assume M=20 ?Likewise for values of S and V

M, S and V in the formula are values including intersections.

"20 are on the marketing team, ... 5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams"

These 5 are a part of the 20.

In this formula:

$$Total = A + B + C- (sum \ of \ 2 \ group \ overlaps) + (all \ three) + Neither$$

A, B and C include intersections. They represent the whole set.
_________________
Karishma
Veritas Prep GMAT Instructor

Intern
Joined: 26 May 2014
Posts: 38
Location: India
Concentration: General Management, Technology
WE: Information Technology (Computer Software)
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

27 Jul 2016, 06:29
ThankYou! . I overlooked that!
Intern
Joined: 29 Apr 2011
Posts: 35
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise and are plac  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

29 Jul 2016, 08:53
babusona wrote:
Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise and are placed on at least one team. 20 workers are on team A, 30 are on team B, 40 are on team C. 5 workers are on both team A and B, 6 workers are on both the B and C teams, 9 workers are on both the C and A teams and 4 workers are on all 3 teams. How many workers are there in total?

A. 62
B. 78
C. 74
D. 66
E. 72

This is a tricky question as many time we miss this simple word called "only"

5 workers are on both team A and B or 5 workers are on both team A and B + only.

The result will dramatically differ. If you infer with "only", then answer will be A. 62 which is the wrong answer.

Simple formula to memorize = Total = A+B+C - (summation of 2 overlaps) + (3 overlaps)

Current Student
Joined: 12 Aug 2015
Posts: 2534
Schools: Boston U '20 (M)
GRE 1: Q169 V154
Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are placed on  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

29 Jul 2016, 10:57
Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are placed on at least one team. 20 are on the marketing team, 30 are on the Sales team, and 40 are on the Vision team. 5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams, 6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams, 9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams, and 4 workers are on all three teams. How many workers are there in total?

A)74
B)90
C)70
D)66
E)cannot be determined

Note => This is a copy of workers-are-grouped-by-their-areas-of-expertise-and-are-90246.html > I added the options To make it fruitful
_________________
Marshall & McDonough Moderator
Joined: 13 Apr 2015
Posts: 1671
Location: India
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

29 Jul 2016, 11:49
1
stonecold wrote:
Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are placed on at least one team. 20 are on the marketing team, 30 are on the Sales team, and 40 are on the Vision team. 5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams, 6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams, 9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams, and 4 workers are on all three teams. How many workers are there in total?

A)74
B)90
C)70
D)66
E)cannot be determined

Note => This is a copy of workers-are-grouped-by-their-areas-of-expertise-and-are-90246.html > I added the options To make it fruitful

Thank you. The topics are merged and the options are added. Please do not re-post the same topic. Post your concerns in the comments if you find any discrepancy in the posted question and we will be able to rectify the errors.
Manager
Joined: 17 Jun 2015
Posts: 189
GMAT 1: 540 Q39 V26
GMAT 2: 680 Q46 V37
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are  [#permalink]

### Show Tags

12 Sep 2016, 10:54
M= 20
S = 30
V = 40
M & S = 5
S & V = 6
V & M = 9
All three = 4
Neither = 0 (they are placed in at least one of them)

Total = 20 +30 + 40 + 4 + 0 - (9 +6 +5) = 94 - 20 = 74
_________________
Fais de ta vie un rêve et d'un rêve une réalité
Re: Workers are grouped by their areas of expertise, and are   [#permalink] 12 Sep 2016, 10:54

Go to page   Previous    1   2   3    Next  [ 50 posts ]

Display posts from previous: Sort by