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A recent court decision has qualified a 1998 ruling that workers cannot be laid off if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will be safe, provided that their performance remains satisfactory.

A. if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will
B. if they are given reason for believing that their jobs would still
C. having been given reason for believing that their jobs would
D. having been given reason to believe their jobs to
E. given reason to believe that their jobs will still

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New post 17 Oct 2015, 00:33
it takes me a long time to sovle this . the meaning of sentence is hard to understand. I realize the illogic meaning in choice C,D and E and choose the correct A without understand the meaning.

look at A and B

in the phrase, for doing, doing work as a gerund which refers to a general action, not refering to an action of a noun in the sentence

so, "believing" in B dose not refer to "workers" and the meaning become unclear

this is the reason for which for doing is wrong when it is used to show a purpose

in contrast, to do is used to show the purpose and subject cause the action of to do

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it takes me a long time to sovle this . the meaning of sentence is hard to understand. I realize the illogic meaning in choice C,D and E and choose the correct A without understand the meaning.

look at A and B

in the phrase, for doing, doing work as a gerund which refers to a general action, not refering to an action of a noun in the sentence

so, "believing" in B dose not refer to "workers" and the meaning become unclear

this is the reason for which for doing is wrong when it is used to show a purpose

in contrast, to do is used to show the purpose and subject cause the action of to do

I learn gmat to take mba in us

here to take is caused by I.


Thanks for the response thangvietnam

It would be great if you can talk about the Conditional Part If XXXX Then YYYY used in A and B
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A question that reflects the use of the conditional diction.




A. if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will --- This choice goes well with the norm that if the conditional part is in present tense (including present perfect” , then the effect clause should be in the future ----- best choice

B. if they are given reason for believing that their jobs would still -- would is wrong tense in the effect clause. For believing is wrong idiom; we do need the infinitive ‘to believe’ instead.

C. having been given reason for believing that their jobs would -- same as in B

D. having been given reason to believe their jobs to --- 'to be safe' does not go with the norm that the effect clause should be in the future tense.

E. given reason to believe that their jobs will still --- 'given reason' does not indicate any tense; it can also mean past tense.
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I failed gmat many years and many times and will retake gmat soon. so, very happy to hear thank you from you.

I an talk of conditional.

if some do, then do

this is a fact

if some do, then will do/can do

this is a situation which can happen

if some did, then would do

this is a situaion which nearly can not happen at present or future

if some had done, then would have done

this is a situation which can not happen because we talk about the past.

our sentence fall into the pattern 2

could not,,, if do

on gmat , if claused is placed after main clause to make harder. when ever we see "if" we need to thing of conditional
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A question that reflects the use of the conditional diction.




A. if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will --- This choice goes well with the norm that if the conditional part is in present tense (including present perfect” , then the effect clause should be in the future best choice

B. if they are given reason for believing that their jobs would still -- would is wrong tense in the effect clause. For believing is wrong idiom; we do need the infinitive ‘to believe’ instead.

C. having been given reason for believing that their jobs would -- same as in B

D. having been given reason to believe their jobs to --- 'to be safe' does not go with the norm that the effect clause should be in the future tense.

E. given reason to believe that their jobs will still --- 'given reason' does not indicate any tense; it can also mean past tense.


Thanks for the quick response daagh

The problem that I am facing in this question is that I am unable to segregate the If and Then part in option A and B. Also, the rules that I've learned during my preparation are -

1. If Present then Present [Fact, Certainity]
2. If Present then Can/May [Uncertaininty]
3. If Present then Will [Always]
4. If Past then Past [Fact, Certainity]
5. If Past then would [Uncertaininty]
6. If Past Perfect then would have [Never happend]

What rule can I apply from the above in this question !
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I failed gmat many years and many times and will retake gmat soon. so, very happy to hear thank you from you.

I an talk of conditional.

if some do, then do

this is a fact

if some do, then will do/can do

this is a situation which can happen

if some did, then would do

this is a situaion which nearly can not happen at present or future

if some had done, then would have done

this is a situation which can not happen because we talk about the past.

our sentence fall into the pattern 2

could not,,, if do

on gmat , if claused is placed after main clause to make harder. when ever we see "if" we need to thing of conditional


Yes, yes. You should not worry thangvietnam
Only the one that fails knows the value of ''success''. And nothing worth having comes easy. So keep it up my friend !

Coming back to the question, I can see that you could put the sentence in a Conditional Category. But, I am facing an issue of segregating the 'If' and 'Then' part in options A and B. Can you try and separate them for me.

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A. if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will --- This choice goes well with the norm that if the conditional part is in present tense (including present perfect”, then the effect clause should be in the future ----- best choice


I am rewriting this choice for your clarity: that if the conditional part is in present tense (including present perfect”,( meaning if present) then the effect clause should be in the future ( meaning then Will) : Isn’t this what your third rule says?
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A. if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will --- This choice goes well with the norm that if the conditional part is in present tense (including present perfect”, then the effect clause should be in the future ----- best choice


I am rewriting this choice for your clarity: that if the conditional part is in present tense (including present perfect”,( meaning if present) then the effect clause should be in the future ( meaning then Will) : Isn’t this what your third rule says?


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Yes, it says the same ! However, I was trying to figure out the XXXX and YYYY part of If XXXX Then YYYY. Well, while understanding this I got the answer to my question as well. So, thank you.
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this question surely wants to test the tense,and it is quite confusing
using POE, A is correct, and B is wrong
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Hi, guys. I am new here. Can You explain the difference between "if they have been given reason to believe that" and "if they are given reason for believing that"? I looked through Macmillian dictionary, I don't see the difference between them. both of them are correct in the dictionary. Thanks for the response beforehand
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Hi, guys. I am new here. Can You explain the difference between "if they have been given reason to believe that" and "if they are given reason for believing that"? I looked through Macmillian dictionary, I don't see the difference between them. both of them are correct in the dictionary. Thanks for the response beforehand


well, apparently, a big difference is between "to" and "for"
there is also a difference between the tense, but we should focus more on the above grammar point.
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A recent court decision has qualified a 1998 ruling that workers cannot be laid off if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will be safe, provided that their performance remains satisfactory.

A. if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will - Correct
B. if they are given reason for believing that their jobs would still - Idiom for believing is incorrect ; verb tense are given is incorrect as it fails to convey that the assurance has been given over a period of time.
C. having been given reason for believing that their jobs would - Idiom for believing is incorrect ; Use of having been given is incorrect because this modifier is used to denote an action that was done before another action
D. having been given reason to believe their jobs to - Use of having been given is incorrect because this modifier is used to denote an action that was done before another action
E. given reason to believe that their jobs will still - Use of given reason to believe fails to clearly convey the intended condition required for the jobs to remain safe in the future

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Alwaysbelieve wrote:
Hi, guys. I am new here. Can You explain the difference between "if they have been given reason to believe that" and "if they are given reason for believing that"? I looked through Macmillian dictionary, I don't see the difference between them. both of them are correct in the dictionary. Thanks for the response beforehand


well, apparently, a big difference is between "to" and "for"
there is also a difference between the tense, but we should focus more on the above grammar point.


Hi. Can You be more specific? I know there is the difference between TO and FOR. Tell me the exact difference between "reason for doing" and "reason to do", please.
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A recent court decision has qualified a 1998 ruling that workers cannot be laid off if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will be safe, provided that their performance remains satisfactory.

A. if they have been given reason to believe that their jobs will
B. if they are given reason for believing that their jobs would still
C. having been given reason for believing that their jobs would
D. having been given reason to believe their jobs to
E. given reason to believe that their jobs will still


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