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I am a recent Rotman Grad and would like to share my experience about the program.
A bit about myself: I did my undergraduate from IIT with a very high GMAT score and worked in multiple successful startups in India and SF. In my professional career had the privilege of working with some of the best minds and my expectation from the MBA program at Rotman was that I would be in a similar setting and boy was I disappointed.
My experience can be summed up in the next 4 points
1. The cohort was not really the best. It was like the school didn't even have any vetting process. They just took very average people from all around the world. On average, the calibre of the students would be comparable to Tier 3 colleges in India. The average GMAT is 670. And it seems like anyone who could pay $100K was taken in. 2. There is no GPA non-disclosure policy here, due to which people were focusing on studies rather than socializing - the point whole of an MBA was missing. 3. Also due to point no. 1, the professors give assignments and exams which are more focused on rote learning as compared to critical thinking since they know that students are not capable of the latter and will end up with bad grades, which is not ideal for the school. So most exams were about who can calculate things fast enough on their calculator and who can cram enough info in their brains. 4. I wanted to get into Tech and the career services team over here has no clue about Tech and Internet jobs. They don't even know how to vet a Tech CV and they do not have a single person in the team who is from the technology industry. Not a single big Tech company recruits from Rotman despite having offices in Toronto.
If you have similar background and aspirations as I did, I would highly recommend that you do not apply to the program or best, make this your last option. Unless you have $100K lying around.
What I am doing post MBA - I have returned to India and started up. Raised a few million and I am growing my company. In hindsight, I could have done all of this without having wasted my 2 years in Toronto
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Thanks for your honest feedback. How is the recruitment/career services for consulting/general management roles? How would you rate Rotman for these sectors?
Thank you so much for your honest feedback , feedbacks like these really help, everywhere else you see good reviews about the school, this is also important, reconsidering my decision now!!!
I am a recent Rotman Grad and would like to share my experience about the program.
A bit about myself: I did my undergraduate from IIT with a very high GMAT score and worked in multiple successful startups in India and SF. In my professional career had the privilege of working with some of the best minds and my expectation from the MBA program at Rotman was that I would be in a similar setting and boy was I disappointed.
My experience can be summed up in the next 4 points
1. The cohort was not really the best. It was like the school didn't even have any vetting process. They just took very average people from all around the world. On average, the calibre of the students would be comparable to Tier 3 colleges in India. The average GMAT is 670. And it seems like anyone who could pay $100K was taken in. 2. There is no GPA non-disclosure policy here, due to which people were focusing on studies rather than socializing - the point whole of an MBA was missing. 3. Also due to point no. 1, the professors give assignments and exams which are more focused on rote learning as compared to critical thinking since they know that students are not capable of the latter and will end up with bad grades, which is not ideal for the school. So most exams were about who can calculate things fast enough on their calculator and who can cram enough info in their brains. 4. I wanted to get into Tech and the career services team over here has no clue about Tech and Internet jobs. They don't even know how to vet a Tech CV and they do not have a single person in the team who is from the technology industry. Not a single big Tech company recruits from Rotman despite having offices in Toronto.
If you have similar background and aspirations as I did, I would highly recommend that you do not apply to the program or best, make this your last option. Unless you have $100K lying around.
What I am doing post MBA - I have returned to India and started up. Raised a few million and I am growing my company. In hindsight, I could have done all of this without having wasted my 2 years in Toronto
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Hi, I really wanted to know what made you choose Rotman in the first place, sounds like you had a good profile to choose different schools.
Thanks for your honest feedback. How is the recruitment/career services for consulting/general management roles? How would you rate Rotman for these sectors?
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Tier 1 consulting roles (MBB) are limited to some 10-12 (cumulative) for the whole class of 300+. This has nothing to do with Rotman though. It's the number of roles that are available in Canada. Tier 2 consulting roles (Delloite, KPMG etc) are where a bulk of the students get placed. Rotman has a good conversion ratio here, but these are low paying and high grunt work roles. I doubt high calibre folks would be interested in these. But career services team lobbies students to apply for them
The rest of the folks who are interested in strategy roles are pushed ( I literally mean pushed since the career services team's KPI is based on % of students placed and quality of jobs do not matter) towards boutique consulting firms which treat MBA grads like cattle and have been known to practice unethical hiring practices. But they never get blacklisted because you know, targets wont be met.
The remainder are "encouraged" to apply for Leadership development roles in the big banks, which is a good place for people who thrive in bureaucratic environments + they are low paying jobs. I would not recommend those to the Tier 1 crowd out there
My assessment is that Rotman does not have a bargaining position in the job market and hence the selling point of "No. 1 MBA in Canada" does not really hold up.
If students get the good jobs its mainly because of their own initiative in networking and I wouldn't attribute it to the efforts of the school.
Now someone will be asked by the career team to refute all my claims. I'm not out here to prove anything. As a Rotman grad, I do believe in the school , but the administration does not take these things seriously. They are driven by their own KPIs and in general there is a lack of long term vision at the school. The school just appointed a full time dean 3 months back. So you can understand why these issues happen
As a result, all issues get swept under the carpet
I am a recent Rotman Grad and would like to share my experience about the program.
A bit about myself: I did my undergraduate from IIT with a very high GMAT score and worked in multiple successful startups in India and SF. In my professional career had the privilege of working with some of the best minds and my expectation from the MBA program at Rotman was that I would be in a similar setting and boy was I disappointed.
My experience can be summed up in the next 4 points
1. The cohort was not really the best. It was like the school didn't even have any vetting process. They just took very average people from all around the world. On average, the calibre of the students would be comparable to Tier 3 colleges in India. The average GMAT is 670. And it seems like anyone who could pay $100K was taken in. 2. There is no GPA non-disclosure policy here, due to which people were focusing on studies rather than socializing - the point whole of an MBA was missing. 3. Also due to point no. 1, the professors give assignments and exams which are more focused on rote learning as compared to critical thinking since they know that students are not capable of the latter and will end up with bad grades, which is not ideal for the school. So most exams were about who can calculate things fast enough on their calculator and who can cram enough info in their brains. 4. I wanted to get into Tech and the career services team over here has no clue about Tech and Internet jobs. They don't even know how to vet a Tech CV and they do not have a single person in the team who is from the technology industry. Not a single big Tech company recruits from Rotman despite having offices in Toronto.
If you have similar background and aspirations as I did, I would highly recommend that you do not apply to the program or best, make this your last option. Unless you have $100K lying around.
What I am doing post MBA - I have returned to India and started up. Raised a few million and I am growing my company. In hindsight, I could have done all of this without having wasted my 2 years in Toronto
Hi, I really wanted to know what made you choose Rotman in the first place, sounds like you had a good profile to choose different schools.
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Good question.
For me personally, I had a PR for Canada and admits in US schools and Rotman. In my interaction with alumni and students, no one seemed to mention the lack of Tech jobs at Rotman and most of the feedback I received was that its a great place with lots of opportunities alumni working in Tech. Its only later I realized that those folks got into Tech 2-3 years after the MBA, when they wanted to make the switch on their own accord and it was an uphill battle for them to convince employers to recruit them. But those people are the exception and not the rule.
The admissions team was also bullish on this. My advice: Just be careful about taking their word for granted (their KPIs are based on just filling up the seats and giving the least amount in scholarship). they'll say anything to ensure you pay your deposit. After you receive your offer, question them on everything!! Ask for hard numbers. If they are reluctant to share, you know why!
To answer your question, at the time it did seem like everything was good and the PR enabled me to stay back in Canada as compared to a US MBA, which would have put a lot of stress on me. 2 years later, I have not received much of a benefit from the Rotman MBA because Tech companies in Canada do not value Rotman MBA and even in the recruitment process you would be considered at par with undergraduates. And outside Canada, the degree is not worth much because Rotman doesnt not even feature in the top 50 B schools worldwide
Unfortunately, I did not have these insights going into the program and while making my decision to join.
Rotman may task some alumni to write a response to this as well saying.. but we have Amazon/Microsoft etc. recruiting... Just ask them the following questions:
1. What role were you hired for in Amazon/ Microsoft? 2. Are these roles the ones typical MBA graduates from top US b-schools go into? 3. What other option did you have?
Thanks for your honest feedback. How is the recruitment/career services for consulting/general management roles? How would you rate Rotman for these sectors?
Posted from my mobile device
Tier 1 consulting roles (MBB) are limited to some 10-12 (cumulative) for the whole class of 300+. This has nothing to do with Rotman though. It's the number of roles that are available in Canada. Tier 2 consulting roles (Delloite, KPMG etc) are where a bulk of the students get placed. Rotman has a good conversion ratio here, but these are low paying and high grunt work roles. I doubt high calibre folks would be interested in these. But career services team lobbies students to apply for them
The rest of the folks who are interested in strategy roles are pushed ( I literally mean pushed since the career services team's KPI is based on % of students placed and quality of jobs do not matter) towards boutique consulting firms which treat MBA grads like cattle and have been known to practice unethical hiring practices. But they never get blacklisted because you know, targets wont be met.
The remainder are "encouraged" to apply for Leadership development roles in the big banks, which is a good place for people who thrive in bureaucratic environments + they are low paying jobs. I would not recommend those to the Tier 1 crowd out there
My assessment is that Rotman does not have a bargaining position in the job market and hence the selling point of "No. 1 MBA in Canada" does not really hold up.
If students get the good jobs its mainly because of their own initiative in networking and I wouldn't attribute it to the efforts of the school.
Now someone will be asked by the career team to refute all my claims. I'm not out here to prove anything. As a Rotman grad, I do believe in the school , but the administration does not take these things seriously. They are driven by their own KPIs and in general there is a lack of long term vision at the school. The school just appointed a full time dean 3 months back. So you can understand why these issues happen
As a result, all issues get swept under the carpet
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This was super helpful! I am applying for the fall 2022 intake. Canada is one of the regions that I am applying to (US is out of the question because of personal reasons). I am interested in consulting/general management/LDP roles. However, the pay can't be too low since I would have to pay my loan back. Given this context, would you recommend that I apply to Rotman? Ivey seemed good for consulting, but it is a 1 year MBA. So I am a bit confused between these 2 schools.
I am a recent Rotman Grad and would like to share my experience about the program.
My experience can be summed up in the next 4 points
1. The cohort was not really the best. It was like the school didn't even have any vetting process. They just took very average people from all around the world. On average, the calibre of the students would be comparable to Tier 3 colleges in India. The average GMAT is 670. And it seems like anyone who could pay $100K was taken in. 2. There is no GPA non-disclosure policy here, due to which people were focusing on studies rather than socializing - the point whole of an MBA was missing.
If you have similar background and aspirations as I did, I would highly recommend that you do not apply to the program or best, make this your last option. Unless you have $100K lying around.
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This being such a huge investment wrt time and money, your experience is so important for everyone to make an informed decision. Which schools would you suggest to a person looking for a tech role/general management role after MBA (in Canada or US)..
I am a recent Rotman Grad and would like to share my experience about the program.
My experience can be summed up in the next 4 points
1. The cohort was not really the best. It was like the school didn't even have any vetting process. They just took very average people from all around the world. On average, the calibre of the students would be comparable to Tier 3 colleges in India. The average GMAT is 670. And it seems like anyone who could pay $100K was taken in. 2. There is no GPA non-disclosure policy here, due to which people were focusing on studies rather than socializing - the point whole of an MBA was missing.
If you have similar background and aspirations as I did, I would highly recommend that you do not apply to the program or best, make this your last option. Unless you have $100K lying around.
This being such a huge investment wrt time and money, your experience is so important for everyone to make an informed decision. Which schools would you suggest to a person looking for a tech role/general management role after MBA (in Canada or US)..
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Yes this is a very nice question. I am also interested, OOP rotmanite, can you please share your insights on this?
I am a recent Rotman Grad and would like to share my experience about the program.
My experience can be summed up in the next 4 points
1. The cohort was not really the best. It was like the school didn't even have any vetting process. They just took very average people from all around the world. On average, the calibre of the students would be comparable to Tier 3 colleges in India. The average GMAT is 670. And it seems like anyone who could pay $100K was taken in. 2. There is no GPA non-disclosure policy here, due to which people were focusing on studies rather than socializing - the point whole of an MBA was missing.
If you have similar background and aspirations as I did, I would highly recommend that you do not apply to the program or best, make this your last option. Unless you have $100K lying around.
This being such a huge investment wrt time and money, your experience is so important for everyone to make an informed decision. Which schools would you suggest to a person looking for a tech role/general management role after MBA (in Canada or US)..
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Not having studied in another school, I would not be able to answer your questions since I do not have the data point required to guide you, but I can suggest a way you can do your research to figure it out:
1. Look for data points on what percentage of students of the school are placed in technology sector. A good percentage of this will be technology consulting. So you would need to separate the wheat (Google, Amazon Microsoft, Uber etc. and tons of product startups in post series B phase) from the chaff (Infosys, Accenture, wipro, CGI or any other service company). 2. Look at what kind of roles Alumni are placed in. If you find a lot of alums in in product leadership roles in product companies its a good sign. It generally leads to a general management position in those companies 3. If they are in support roles (compliance, Business development, marketing etc. ) it might not be a good sign (unless you are interested in those roles, in which case Tech is not a qualifier for you, it can be done in any industry) The reason I am specific about product roles is because in good high growth product companies, product metrics define strategy and not vice versa. Which then enables you to become an expert in that domain (e-commerce, social media etc.) in the shortest period of time. These industries are gaining market share like anything!
Most of these topics are still being taught from a "Porter's five forces" lens at b-schools. Now, 50 year old professors with tenure will not change the curriculum to meet market needs. But as an MBA graduate, you can get ahead of the curve by just getting the right job that enables you to be a leader in the space, assuming that is what you are interested in.
During your interviews with companies as well, if the interviewer is not asking product questions, its typically a red flag
Are there any better schools in Canada you would recommend? Ivey? rotmanite
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Thanks for your honest feedback. How is the recruitment/career services for consulting/general management roles? How would you rate Rotman for these sectors?
Posted from my mobile device
Tier 1 consulting roles (MBB) are limited to some 10-12 (cumulative) for the whole class of 300+. This has nothing to do with Rotman though. It's the number of roles that are available in Canada. Tier 2 consulting roles (Delloite, KPMG etc) are where a bulk of the students get placed. Rotman has a good conversion ratio here, but these are low paying and high grunt work roles. I doubt high calibre folks would be interested in these. But career services team lobbies students to apply for them
The rest of the folks who are interested in strategy roles are pushed ( I literally mean pushed since the career services team's KPI is based on % of students placed and quality of jobs do not matter) towards boutique consulting firms which treat MBA grads like cattle and have been known to practice unethical hiring practices. But they never get blacklisted because you know, targets wont be met.
The remainder are "encouraged" to apply for Leadership development roles in the big banks, which is a good place for people who thrive in bureaucratic environments + they are low paying jobs. I would not recommend those to the Tier 1 crowd out there
My assessment is that Rotman does not have a bargaining position in the job market and hence the selling point of "No. 1 MBA in Canada" does not really hold up.
If students get the good jobs its mainly because of their own initiative in networking and I wouldn't attribute it to the efforts of the school.
Now someone will be asked by the career team to refute all my claims. I'm not out here to prove anything. As a Rotman grad, I do believe in the school , but the administration does not take these things seriously. They are driven by their own KPIs and in general there is a lack of long term vision at the school. The school just appointed a full time dean 3 months back. So you can understand why these issues happen
As a result, all issues get swept under the carpet