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According to the Economic Development Corporation of Los Angeles County, if one were to count the Los Angeles metropolitan area as a separate nation, it would have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, that is bigger than that of Australia, Mexico, or the Netherlands.

A. if one were to count the Los Angeles metropolitan area as a separate nation, it would have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, that is

B. if the Los Angeles metropolitan area is counted as a separate nation, it has the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, that being

C. if the Los Angeles metropolitan area were a separate nation, it would have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product,

D. were the Los Angeles metropolitan area a separate nation, it will have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, which is

E. when the Los Angeles metropolitan area is counted as a separate nation, it has the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, thus


My doubt is if 'Los Angeles metropolitan area' uses the verb 'were', that means it is regarded as plural right ? So usage of it in 'it would have the...' will make it a wrong option right ?
Guys, can anyone help me out here ? Am I missing anything ?

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According to the Economic Development Corporation of Los Angeles County, if the Los Angeles metropolitan area were a separate nation, it would have the world's eleventh largest gross national product, bigger than that of Australia, Mexico, or the Netherlands.

The underlined portion is the correct answer to Qn 30 of GMAT Verbal 2016.

My doubt is if 'Los Angeles metropolitan area' uses the verb 'were', that means it is regarded as plural right ? So usage of it in 'it would have the...' will make it a wrong option right ?

Guys, can anyone help me out here ? Am I missing anything ?


Hi,
it is correct the way it is..
reason:-
'if' is used in hypothetical situations and the 'if clause' in these situations takes plural verb irrespective of the singular subject..
for example..
if I were the prime minister, i would do ....
if country x were a super power, it would have flexed its muscles more than present super powers..
hope it helps

three formats of conditional sentences..

1) If + present simple , future simple
Example: If you work hard, you will pass with good marks.

2) If + past simple , conditional simple (would + infinitive)
Example: as in the cases mentioned above

3) If + past perfect, past conditional
Example: If ravi had learnt his lessons, he wouldn't have failed his exam
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My doubt is if 'Los Angeles metropolitan area' uses the verb 'were', that means it is regarded as plural right ? So usage of it in 'it would have the...' will make it a wrong option right ?

Guys, can anyone help me out here ? Am I missing anything ?


the answer to your question lies in the following: the mood of the sentence is HYPOTHETICAL; i.e, the sentence is talking about the imaginary situation .it is similar to a sentence : if I WERE a millionare ......... ----->"I" is singular but still takes the plural "WERE"
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ted123 wrote:
According to the Economic Development Corporation of Los Angeles County, if the Los Angeles metropolitan area were a separate nation, it would have the world's eleventh largest gross national product, bigger than that of Australia, Mexico, or the Netherlands.

The underlined portion is the correct answer to Qn 30 of GMAT Verbal 2016.

My doubt is if 'Los Angeles metropolitan area' uses the verb 'were', that means it is regarded as plural right ? So usage of it in 'it would have the...' will make it a wrong option right ?

Guys, can anyone help me out here ? Am I missing anything ?


Hi,
it is correct the way it is..
reason:-
'if' is used in hypothetical situations and the 'if clause' in these situations takes plural verb irrespective of the singular subject..
for example..
if I were the prime minister, i would do ....
if country x were a super power, it would have flexed its muscles more than present super powers..
hope it helps

three formats of conditional sentences..

1) If + present simple , future simple
Example: If you work hard, you will pass with good marks.

2) If + past simple , conditional simple (would + infinitive)
Example: as in the cases mentioned above

3) If + past perfect, past conditional
Example: If ravi had learnt his lessons, he wouldn't have failed his exam



"Would Have" in "then clause" , requires past perfect in "If clause".

option C . has "would have" in then clause but no past perfect in if clause.

i am confused.

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According to the Economic Development Corporation of Los Angeles County, if one were to count the Los Angeles metropolitan area as a separate nation, it would have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, that is bigger than that of Australia, Mexico, or the Netherlands.

Issue: Structure | Meaning

Analysis:
1. The sentence talks about a hypothetical situation in which Los Angeles metropolitan area is a nation, though it is actually not.
- The correct form for such cases is: if + subject + simple past tense + could/would/might + verb in simple form
- So the form of this sentence should be: if X were Y, it would ....


I have highlighted the issues in options below:

A. if one were to count the Los Angeles metropolitan area as a separate nation, it would have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, that is
- ", that.." that is incorrectly used for non-essential modifier here

B. if the Los Angeles metropolitan area is counted as a separate nation, it has the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, that being
- ", that.." that is incorrectly used for non-essential modifier here

C. if the Los Angeles metropolitan area were a separate nation, it would have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product,

D. were the Los Angeles metropolitan area a separate nation, it will have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, which is

E. when the Los Angeles metropolitan area is counted as a separate nation, it has the world’s eleventh largest gross national product, thus

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There are three types of conditional sentences: First Conditional, Second Conditional, and Third Conditional

1. First Conditional: if clause = If + present tense, then main clause=- future (will) or present tense + bare infinitive
(Bare infinitive means the base form of the verb)
Example: If I have enough money, I will buy a house (future tense)
If the sum of the digits of a number is divisible by three, the number is divisible by three

2. Second Conditional: If clause = if + simple past tense, then main clause = would or might or could + bare infinitive
Example: If I had enough money, I would buy a house
If I were Bill Gates, I would donate $100 to Mother Theresa's Ashram every month.

3. Third Conditional: If clause = If + past perfect, then the main clause = would have + past participle (technically called the conditional perfect)
Example: If I had had enough money, I would have bought a house.

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"Would Have" in "then clause", requires past perfect in "If clause".

Option C. has "would have" in then clause but no past perfect in if clause.

i am confused.


The 'would have' in the then clause you have referred is not past perfect. It is simply the future past of will namely 'would' + the bare infinitive 'have'. This example corresponds to the second conditional cited above.
If you want to use a past perfect in the 'if clause', then the sentence will be:

if one had counted the Los Angeles metropolitan area as a separate nation, it would have had the world’s eleventh largest gross national product -- Please note that the conditional past perfect you had in mind takes the form of 'would have had'
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Hi VeritasPrepKarishma GMATNinja generis

Can you please help me to understand usage of two THATs and comparison in A/ E?
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Hi VeritasPrepKarishma GMATNinja generis

Can you please help me to understand usage of two THATs and comparison in A/ E?


You need to use subjunctive here - Considering Los Angeles metropolitan area a separate nation is hypothetical. It is not a separate nation. Hypothetical situations use subjunctive case. It uses the second conditional discussed here: https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2015/1 ... nals-gmat/

In (A), "that" is used incorrectly. The first "that" acts as a relative pronoun which is restrictive so it shouldn't be after a comma. Though what follows that is not a restrictive modifier since it only adds to already well defined "eleventh largest GNP". Hence the use of that is incorrect.
The second that acts as a pronoun for "gross national product".

Here is a post on the uses of "that": https://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2017/0 ... t-on-gmat/
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Dear mikemcgarry sir,

I read all posts above and understand why option D is wrong.
But please confirm my understanding .
If is subordinating conjunction, which is missing in option D.
Thus two Independent clause can't be joined by just COMMA.
Hence option D is comma splice.

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Dear mikemcgarry sir,

I read all posts above and understand why option D is wrong.
But please confirm my understanding .
If is subordinating conjunction, which is missing in option D.
Thus two Independent clause can't be joined by just COMMA.
Hence option D is comma splice.

Thanks Prashant

The test for a comma splice is whether the components on either side of the comma can stand on their own as complete sentences.

In (D) we have "were the Los Angeles metropolitan area a separate nation, it will have the world’s eleventh largest gross national product." That first part, "were the Los Angeles metropolitan area a separate nation," isn't an independent clause. Rather, "were" is awkwardly acting as a subordinator -- basically, it functions similarly to the word "if", and makes the clause dependent.

It's better to use concrete grammatical/logical problems to eliminate (D). Others have noted that the second clause should use "would have" rather than "will have." Also, the clause following "the world's eleventh largest gross national product," begins with "which is" suggesting that this hypothetical is actually a fact. That's illogical, so (D) is out.

I hope that helps!
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