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Most people are familiar with my story on the forum. The TL;DR version is that I applied to a bunch of schools in 2016, got rejected in most of them, and then turned it around in 2017 and got a lot of admits/interviews and such. I posted my GMAT story HERE and a brief version of my admission and application insights HERE.

Since doing these two posts, I have been getting a lot of PM's about whether the GMAT is enough or whether applying to a certain school makes sense, and honestly, I have not been able to keep up with those PM's.

So this is my attempt to set up shop for my completely non-qualified and anecdotal advice. A place where I will entertain profile evaluation requestions, school strategy and positioning, and some general unadulterated feedback.

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Hey! thanks for taking up this tedious task.
I scored a 670 gmat! I am looking a Mim one year programs.

Do i stand a chance at LBS, LSE or NUS?
Also what other schools would you recommend? Looking for september/january intake!

Here is a little background on my profile:

Age: 21 (Indian Female)
Class 10: cgpa 10
Class 12: 94.5%
Graduation: 70% ( First division from GNDU. Accredited with A status from Naac)

Internships:
*Accountancy Intern, Sports Specialist Pvt. Limited, Jalandhar (June 2015- August 2015)
*Management Intern, Universal Sports Industry (December 2015- February 2016)

Work Experience and background:

I come from a business family and eventually want to set up my own business.
Currently working with father since first year of college (which makes it 3 part time years till this summer and another 1 full time year by the time i start my masters)
Started from the basics. worked as the manager for a year and then expanded work and set up two independent units.
Working on 2 more new projects with him on which i've worked from the scratch.

Have a decent range of curricular activities and social work. ( sports, dance, MUN's, working in an Ngo, Promoting government's skill development program)

Thanks a lot

Also a few major concerns that you may have:

1) I am looking for masters in management! that is mim! not mba! so mim is basically for freshers with zero or upto one years of work ex!
2) I am among the toppers of my college and i had a scholarship too! its a well recognised univerisity of punjab!I got an aggregate of 70%! and the highest goes upto 75% percent! The marking is pretty strict and a 70% in the light of this feels okay and not too low in my opinion!
3) NUS doesnt even state a compulsion for making a gmat! its says if you have it, it'll strengthen your profile! I got a 670! I got a 5 awa and 6 IR! i am just confused if i should take it again! ( I dont want to! )
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Hi Souvik,

Great initiative. I look forward to submitting my profile here in the near future.
For now, let me start by posting a question that concerns a lot of candidates but yet somehow often gets ignored.
Where do you see the future of GRE w.r.t the GMAT in the coming years.

In 2017, of 50 top business schools examined by Poets&Quants, 18 saw more than 20% of their applicants submit GRE scores, up from only eight schools in 2016.

Putting aside MBB recruiting( which requires you to take the GMAT), do you think GRE will be able to catch up with the GMAT in terms of B-school admits ?

What is your perspective about the whole GRE vs GMAT conundrum?

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Hey! thanks for taking up this tedious task.
I scored a 670 gmat! I am looking a Mim one year programs.

Do i stand a chance at LBS, LSE or NUS?
Also what other schools would you recommend? Looking for september/january intake!

Here is a little background on my profile:

Age: 21 (Indian Female)
Class 10: cgpa 10
Class 12: 94.5%
Graduation: 70% ( First division from GNDU. Accredited with A status from Naac)

Internships:
*Accountancy Intern, Sports Specialist Pvt. Limited, Jalandhar (June 2015- August 2015)
*Management Intern, Universal Sports Industry (December 2015- February 2016)

Work Experience and background:

I come from a business family and eventually want to set up my own business.
Currently working with father since first year of college (which makes it 3 part time years till this summer and another 1 full time year by the time i start my masters)
Started from the basics. worked as the manager for a year and then expanded work and set up two independent units.
Working on 2 more new projects with him on which i've worked from the scratch.

Have a decent range of curricular activities and social work. ( sports, dance, MUN's, working in an Ngo, Promoting government's skill development program)

Thanks a lot

Also a few major concerns that you may have:

1) I am looking for masters in management! that is mim! not mba! so mim is basically for freshers with zero or upto one years of work ex!
2) I am among the toppers of my college and i had a scholarship too! its a well recognised univerisity of punjab!I got an aggregate of 70%! and the highest goes upto 75% percent! The marking is pretty strict and a 70% in the light of this feels okay and not too low in my opinion!
3) NUS doesnt even state a compulsion for making a gmat! its says if you have it, it'll strengthen your profile! I got a 670! I got a 5 awa and 6 IR! i am just confused if i should take it again! ( I dont want to! )


First off, I don't have much experience with MiM programs, so my reply will be mostly based off of common sense. I looked up the LBS MiM Class profile HERE and it seems like their average GMAT is 680 and average GRE is around 323 - those are some high numbers. So you being an Indian - I would be nervous with a 670. You mention you do not want to retake the GMAT - I am sorry, but I have to recommend retaking or recalibrating your expectations. I am not sure about NUS but it would probably be less competitive than LBS, but I would still try for a higher GMAT.

Also, Kellogg offers a 1 year MS program which probably does not require the GMAT. I saw some similar programs for Duke and Ross as well so you could explore that. But note that you should be aiming at securing employment post this degree at the geography you are graduating from - which can be a bit more competitive than a more traditional program (i.e. the MBA).
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Hi Souvik,

Great initiative. I look forward to submitting my profile here in the near future.
For now, let me start by posting a question that concerns a lot of candidates but yet somehow often gets ignored.
Where do you see the future of GRE w.r.t the GMAT in the coming years.

In 2017, of 50 top business schools examined by Poets&Quants, 18 saw more than 20% of their applicants submit GRE scores, up from only eight schools in 2016.

Putting aside MBB recruiting( which requires you to take the GMAT), do you think GRE will be able to catch up with the GMAT in terms of B-school admits ?

What is your perspective about the whole GRE vs GMAT conundrum?

Best
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2 things.

1. GMAT is still the norm. GRE acts as an alternative OR a way out for people who already have a GRE score.
2. GRE scores are not yet common enough (though this year most schools have published GRE averages) to be included in rankings. So few people may consider this a leeway. For example a candidate with a 680 GMAT and a 320 GRE might fare well with applying with the GRE score as US news does not factor in the GRE for rankings. This is all speculative though.

However, you bring out a valid point in terms of recruitment. In theory, the GMAT is a significantly more of a critical reasoning test than the GRE, so I do not see its appeal wearing off for consulting recruitment in the near future. Maybe the quant portion of the GRE may cover for it but at this point GRE quant is significantly simpler than its GMAT rival.
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Hi souvik101990,

Thanks for coming up with such a initiative. Kindly suggest some schools as per my profile and requirement.
Below is a brief summary of my profile:

Name: Ankit Kaushik
Nationality: Indian
WE: 55 months (IT)
GMAT: 710 (Q-50, V-35)

Extra Curricular:
1. Participated in state level cricket and football tournaments
2. Part of sports club in Tech Mahindra (My previous organization)
3. Conducted some organization-level events
4. Frequent traveler (Traveled across 75% of India) -- not sure whether this comes under extra curricular

Academic Background:

1. B.Tech(IT)- 69.96%
2. XII- 61.6%
3. X- 90.6%

Awards & Achievements:

1. Constantly awarded top performer award
2. Certified Hadoop developer
3. Winner of several intra-organization sports events

School Preference:

I am mainly looking for a 1-year (at max 15-months) MBA program preferably in English speaking country. I am not looking for US or UK colleges as there are certain work permit related issues. I want to work in consultancy or data analytics. And as one needs to be fluent in local language to fetch consultancy jobs, so I am preferring English speaking countries. While selecting schools, I am feeling that taking GMAT is just 10% of the total effort :-). If I start taking language classes in India, will I be fluent enough to get a job?

Below are some schools that I am considering:

1. SDA Bocconi
2. HHL
3. Smurfit
4. Warwick (UK) --not sure about the Visa after graduation
5. Queen's (Canada)
6. SP Jain (India) as for ISB I've to wait till December for a decision

Based on your experience and research, you can suggest some schools if you want.

Thanks in advance.
Regards,
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Hi souvik101990,

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Thanks for coming up with such a initiative. Kindly suggest some schools as per my profile and requirement.
Below is a brief summary of my profile:


You are welcome

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Name: Ankit Kaushik
Nationality: Indian
WE: 55 months (IT)
GMAT: 710 (Q-50, V-35)


WE wise you are at the sweet spot. Your GMAT is a bit skewed to the quant side, which I am sure you know already. Could it work for some mid tier schools? Absolutely! Top 10-20 schools? I'd be nervous!


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Extra Curricular:
1. Participated in state level cricket and football tournaments
2. Part of sports club in Tech Mahindra (My previous organization)
3. Conducted some organization-level events
4. Frequent traveler (Traveled across 75% of India) -- not sure whether this comes under extra curricular


state level cricket is a pretty big deal. However almost all indians I know somehow have played state level cricket. I think the events are a nice touch, especially if you can quantify some of the outcomes. Why did you conduct them? Were there challenges? Did you emerge a more accomplished individual from that experience? Same questions for the sports club experience. The travel is not an extracurricular. By 75% of India, what do you mean? 75% of Indian states which is about 20 states is impressive but only so much. If you mean 75% cities (which I think you do not), that would be a great accomplishment.

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Academic Background:

1. B.Tech(IT)- 69.96%
2. XII- 61.6%
3. X- 90.6%


I hope you know this by now that your high school scores do not matter in international business school programs. Your undergraduate percentage seems on the lower end. What was your rank in your class?

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1. Constantly awarded top performer award
2. Certified Hadoop developer
3. Winner of several intra-organization sports events


Top performer out of? Could you say you were in the top 1%ile of your city/org/etc? The intra organisation sports event also is not really an award so to speak. I am not sure what Hadoop is, but it is great that you are certified. How difficult it is to get certified? Is it as competitive and difficult as CPA/CFA?

School Preference:

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I am mainly looking for a 1-year (at max 15-months) MBA program preferably in English speaking country. I am not looking for US or UK colleges as there are certain work permit related issues. I want to work in consultancy or data analytics. And as one needs to be fluent in local language to fetch consultancy jobs, so I am preferring English speaking countries. While selecting schools, I am feeling that taking GMAT is just 10% of the total effort :-). If I start taking language classes in India, will I be fluent enough to get a job?


That would really depend. Some EU countries are more liberal about english than others. For example, Netherlands, Blegium, and Denmark - you could get away with english. It would be an issue in Germany.

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1. SDA Bocconi
2. HHL
3. Smurfit
4. Warwick (UK) --not sure about the Visa after graduation
5. Queen's (Canada)
6. SP Jain (India) as for ISB I've to wait till December for a decision


The schools that you have listed *should be* achievable with your profile but its hard to judge as they are not very traditional top programs. That being said have you considered the ASU MBA? It is a top 25 US MBA program and you can get an additional MS in data analytics which will STEM certify your MBA and extend your OPT for two years! And did I mention that the ASU Carey MBA fee is $0? Since becoming a fully gratis MBA, it has become more selective, but worth a shot. Also look at Foster, Seattle - it is great with Tech. So is Olin.
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The schools that you have listed *should be* achievable with your profile but its hard to judge as they are not very traditional top programs. That being said have you considered the ASU MBA? It is a top 25 US MBA program and you can get an additional MS in data analytics which will STEM certify your MBA and extend your OPT for two years! And did I mention that the ASU Carey MBA fee is $0? Since becoming a fully gratis MBA, it has become more selective, but worth a shot. Also look at Foster, Seattle - it is great with Tech. So is Olin.


Hi Souvik,

Thanks for your input. As always, you have been a great help.
However, I have missed the deadlines for ASU & Foster. Olin is 2 year MBA.
Seattle looks fine to me. Is there any chance that you know about the avg placements stats of SeattleU ?

Also, fees for ASU is not $0, its around 1lakh USD. :-)

Many thanks,
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The schools that you have listed *should be* achievable with your profile but its hard to judge as they are not very traditional top programs. That being said have you considered the ASU MBA? It is a top 25 US MBA program and you can get an additional MS in data analytics which will STEM certify your MBA and extend your OPT for two years! And did I mention that the ASU Carey MBA fee is $0? Since becoming a fully gratis MBA, it has become more selective, but worth a shot. Also look at Foster, Seattle - it is great with Tech. So is Olin.


Hi Souvik,

Thanks for your input. As always, you have been a great help.
However, I have missed the deadlines for ASU & Foster. Olin is 2 year MBA.
Seattle looks fine to me. Is there any chance that you know about the avg placements stats of SeattleU ?

Also, fees for ASU is not $0, its around 1lakh USD. :-)

Many thanks,
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Where did you see 100K USD for ASU? The ASU MBA program has been free for the last two years.
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Where did you see 100K USD for ASU? The ASU MBA program has been free for the last two years.


I saw it on their website, but in course details it has been mentioned that the course is free this year too.
Sorry for the confusion. I got an admit from HHL, Germany. As I am mainly looking for 1-year MBA, I am inclined towards ESMT too.

Any suggestions on HHL vs ESMT?

Thanks & Regards,
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Most people are familiar with my story on the forum. The TL;DR version is that I applied to a bunch of schools in 2016, got rejected in most of them, and then turned it around in 2017 and got a lot of admits/interviews and such. I posted my GMAT story HERE and a brief version of my admission and application insights HERE.

Since doing these two posts, I have been getting a lot of PM's about whether the GMAT is enough or whether applying to a certain school makes sense, and honestly, I have not been able to keep up with those PM's.

So this is my attempt to set up shop for my completely non-qualified and anecdotal advice. A place where I will entertain profile evaluation requestions, school strategy and positioning, and some general unadulterated feedback.

Go ahead, and Ask Me Anything!

Edit: I have no aspirations of becoming an admissions consultant. I am playing with the idea of helping others with basic stuff like school selection and resume review, but of course it will always be free!





Hello souvik101990 , I have read all your debriefs and I would absolutely love to have your feedback on my profile.

GMAT - 760 (Q50, V44)
Gender - Male
Undergrad - IIT Patna (8.8/10 CGPA)
12th - 95.4%

WE - 8 months at Samsung , Delhi
- 2.5 months (internship) NTU, Singapore
- 3 months (internship) IIT Kharagpur

Extracurriculars :-

1) National Level Table Tennis player (Under 18 and Under 16).
2) Awards at school, college and district levels Table Tennis.
3) Youtube Channel (DIY videos of some techs and software that I explored)
4) Electronics club coordinator (2015-2016).
5) 3 research paper at IEEE conferences.

I know that without knowing my post MBA plans and other important variables that most of the schools look into, it will be very difficult to give an opinion on my profile.
However, given your experience in bschool application, I am sure that you will be able to provide me a ball park estimate of my current position.

I have three questions :-

1) I am thinking of applying for 2020 (Intake) MBA batch and will have 3 years work ex at the time joining the school. Is this strategy sound? Should I try waiting for a few more years ?

2) Indian IT Male usually have lower likelihood of getting accepted. Samsung research is pretty good, atleast in my opnion(ranks #15 in Fortune 500), however the IT background might kill my application. What all methods I can use to overcome this drawback ? Should I try changing my industry(I still have about 1.5 years left before application) ?

3) What all school should I aim for ? Please classify the schools into 3x2 (Safe , Moderate , Reach) and (Scholarship, No Scholarship) . I am thinking of either choosing top 5 or one of top 5-20 on the basis of scholarship offered.

Thank you for taking out the time to evaluate my profile. Any other thoughts on my profile are welcome.

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