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28 Feb 2021, 03:33
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Hello DmitryFarber,
I have a question regarding this part "As for the conjunction "or" it does not create a plural compound subject, so we can't use S-V to eliminate C-E" , I thought that when we had structures like these either....or , neither... nor , not...nor etc. we would focus on the last element and based on its number we would decide whether singular or plural should be used, in our case we have was not Jane Austen nor the Bronte sisters, so it would be the same with Jane Austen nor the Bronte sisters was, and that would be incorrect because Bronte sisters is plural, so why can't we eliminate C-E because of S-V agreement.
28 Feb 2021, 17:44
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The idea of using the last element is about proximity, so we can't simply flip the text around and expect the same result. Additionally, the "was" isn't a verb being performed by the nouns (Austen, Bronte sisters). Rather, those nouns are the objects of "was not." Similarly, I could say "There was neither a fire nor any space heaters to keep us warm." I don't say "were" just because "heaters" comes second. Nor am I saying that the fire or the space heaters was/were anything else.
However, it's true that "was" doesn't play well with a plural noun after the conjunction. In my example, I was forced to add "any" before space heaters. So perhaps to salvage C-E, we'd need something like "There was not a Jane Austen nor any Bronte sisters," or more formally, "There was not a Jane Austen, nor were there any Bronte sisters."
The idea of using the last element is about proximity, so we can't simply flip the text around and expect the same result. Additionally, the "was" isn't a verb being performed by the nouns (Austen, Bronte sisters). Rather, those nouns are the objects of "was not." Similarly, I could say "There was neither a fire nor any space heaters to keep us warm." I don't say "were" just because "heaters" comes second. Nor am I saying that the fire or the space heaters was/were anything else.
However, it's true that "was" doesn't play well with a plural noun after the conjunction. In my example, I was forced to add "any" before space heaters. So perhaps to salvage C-E, we'd need something like "There was not a Jane Austen nor any Bronte sisters," or more formally, "There was not a Jane Austen, nor were there any Bronte sisters."
10 Jun 2022, 05:49
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Hello experts,
How to know Jane Austens is not a name rather a plural word referring to many people like jane austen.
I thought jane Austens is a name (single person), hence, i thought was is correct.
Hence as I remember, we use singular/plural for “X or Y” depending on whatever close to the verb,
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How to know Jane Austens is not a name rather a plural word referring to many people like jane austen.
I thought jane Austens is a name (single person), hence, i thought was is correct.
Hence as I remember, we use singular/plural for “X or Y” depending on whatever close to the verb,
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