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During the Second World War, about 375,000 civilians died in the Unite

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During the Second World War, about 375,000 civilians died in the United States and about 408,000 members of the United States armed forces died overseas. On the basis of those figures, it can be concluded that it was not much more dangerous to be overseas in the armed forces during the Second World War than it was to stay at home as a civilian.

Which of the following would reveal most clearly the absurdity of the conclusion drawn above?


(A) Counting deaths among members of the armed forces who served in the United States in addition to deaths among members of the armed forces serving overseas

(B) Expressing the difference between the numbers of deaths among civilians and members of the armed forces as a percentage of the total number of deaths

(C) Separating deaths caused by accidents during service in the armed forces from deaths caused by combat injuries

(D) Comparing death rates per thousand members of each group rather than comparing total numbers of deaths

(E) Comparing deaths caused by accidents in the United States to deaths caused by combat in the armed forces


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Originally posted by jaynayak on 17 Jun 2006, 11:36.
Last edited by Bunuel on 27 Mar 2019, 00:09, edited 4 times in total.
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uring the Second World War, about 375,000 civilians died in the United States and about 408,000 members of the United States armed forces died overseas. On the basis of those figures, it can be concluded that it was not much more dangerous to be overseas in the armed forces during the Second World War than it was to stay at home as a civilian.
Which of the following would reveal most clearly the absurdity of the conclusion drawn above?
Conclusion: It was not much dangerous to be overseas in army than it was to stay at home.
How he arrived at conclusion : Comparing deaths. (assuming that : Total population of united states is same as number of people serving overseas in army) .
Weaken : We can weaken this by saying that percentage is deaths is way lesser among civilians than it is among armed forces.
KEY: averages, percentage increases, proportion questions you can't simply compare numerators. Death rate=(No.of.deaths in a target group)/ (total number of people) .


(A) Counting deaths among members of the armed forces who served in the United States in addition to deaths among members of the armed forces serving overseas
This completely ignores civilians. ofs
(B) Expressing the difference between the numbers of deaths among civilians and members of the armed forces as a percentage of the total number of deaths
This would have been correct answer if it had not have the word "difference" . % is the way to compare but not the difference in percentage.
(C) Separating deaths caused by accidents during service in the armed forces from deaths caused by combat injuries
source of death is out of scope
(D) Comparing death rates per thousand members of each group rather than comparing total numbers of deaths
This is correct comparision. For every 1000 civilians how many have died. Compare it with how many have died serving in army overseas
(E) Comparing deaths caused by accidents in the United States to deaths caused by combat in the armed forces.
Again talking about only one side of the comparison that is about army.
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D.

a) we are talking overseas armed forces here.
b) not much of a difference from existing stats
c) does not help
d) :idea:
e) accidents vs combat ?! nopes
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I agree with D is very sure it is likely to be correct

(A) nobody adds those deaths... the argument is about how likely it is to die overseas or in the US... not armed forces in US though
(B) nothing said about the difference
(C) out of scope... reasons are irrelevant
(D) the total number of civilians is far greater than the number of armed forces overseas, therefore comparing deaths is useless if you don't not the total for each group
(E) again, out of score... reasons are not the case of the argument.
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During the Second World War, about 375,000 civilians died in the United States and about 408,000 members of the United States armed forces died overseas. On the basis the those figures, it can be concluded that it was not much more dangerous to be overseas in the armed forces during the Second World War than it was to stay at home as a civilian.

Which of the following would reveal most clearly the absurdity of the conclusion drawn above?

(A) Counting deaths among members of the armed forces who served in the United State in addition to deaths among members of the armed forces serving overseas

(B) Expressing the difference between the numbers of deaths among civilians and members of the armed forces as a percentage of the total number of deaths

(C) Separating deaths caused by accidents during service in the armed forces from deaths caused by combat injuries

(D) Comparing death rates per thousand members of each group rather than comparing total numbers of deaths

(E) Comparing deaths caused by accidents in the United States to deaths caused by combat in the armed forces

Can somebody explain the D in detail. I am not getting how we are getting higher death rates for smaller groups?
"D exposes this absurdity by pointing out the need to compare death rates of the two groups, which would reveal the higher death rate for the smaller group."
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16. During the Second World War, about 375,000 civilians died in the United States and about 408,000 members
of the United States armed forces died overseas. On the basis the those figures, it can be concluded that it was
not much more dangerous to be overseas in the armed forces during the Second World War than it was to stay
at home as a civilian.
Which of the following would reveal most clearly the absurdity of the conclusion drawn above?
A. Counting deaths among members of the armed forces who served in the United State in addition to deaths
among members of the armed forces serving overseas
B. Expressing the difference between the numbers of deaths among civilians and members of the armed
forces as a percentage of the total number of deaths
C. Separating deaths caused by accidents during service in the armed forces from deaths caused by combat
injuries
D. Comparing death rates per thousand members of each group rather than comparing total numbers of deaths
E. Comparing deaths caused by accidents in the United States to deaths caused by combat in the armed
forces

Can somebody explain the D in detail. I am not getting how we are getting higher death rates for smaller groups?
"D exposes this absurdity by pointing out the need to compare death rates of the two groups, which would reveal the higher death rate for the smaller group."


Clean D

Supposre the population of civilians is US is 3 Million
out these 375,000 died = ~19%

and armed forces population is 8,00,000
out of these 4,08,000 dies = 51%
so the conclusion "it was
not much more dangerous to be overseas in the armed forces during the Second World War than it was to stay
at home as a civilian." fails

hope this clears
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Consider two groups A and B.
In A 5 members have died and in B 8 members have died.
Now its obvious to say group is safer.

However, in group A there were 10 people. rate = 5/10 = 50%
in group B there were 100 people rate = 8/100 = 0.8%.

Thus B is much safer.

Similarly, if we compare per 1000 people the rates will be known.
This is the logic used in D.
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D is better and more accurate than B.
if there are 60 civilian deaths in a population of 10,000 and 40 armed forces deaths in a battalion of 100 army men, then according to B 60% deaths will be from civilian population n 40% deaths will be from military.

whereas if we consider D, death percentage will be ( 60/10000) *100 = 0.6 % for civilian and (40/100)*100 = 40% for armed forces.

so serving army is more dangerous
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+1 for option D. This is essentially a "flaw type" question. The flaw in the reasoning is that the argument only compares numbers ; it should be comparing figures per thousands. Option D clearly states this !
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could you please explain the reasoning. I am not able to deduce the basis on which th comparison is made .
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could you please explain the reasoning. I am not able to deduce the basis on which th comparison is made .

ck95, did you check out the excellent explanations by amit2k9 (here), sudhir18n (here), and manojkumarmatala (here)? If you have lingering questions after reading those three, let us know.
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Bunuel,

I guess the right tag for this question tag could be " Flaw "

There is no paradox in the stem. An argument is presented and conclusion is drawn. We are asked to find the flaw in the argument .
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Just by comparing the count of deaths at home and at overseas, author assumes the population to be same at both locations and hence conclude that it is safer to be at home than at overseas.
This is what option D says.
Hence D
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B can be thought of as comparing different numerators with the same denominator or comparing proportions.
The facts don't change.
If total deaths were 1m then we would have ~30% to ~40%

Conversely, D shows us that we can compare a rate (deaths per 1k) that would consider each population as mutually exclusive - enabling a more reasonable comparison.
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