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Re: Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say [#permalink]
Well, it is advisable to use a reporting word after say, not mandatory though. An answer choice would not be incorrect just because it is not using 'that' after a reporting verb i.e. it must be having other apparent errors.

The question that you have posted is an official one, so you can take it for granted the usage of say is correct as it is not in the underlined part.

To sum up, if you have two grammatically and contextually correct answer choices, the only difference is that one contains "that" after a reporting verb another doesn't then choose the one with "that"

The below usages of the verb say are totally correct.

Senators say the nursing home rule is not followed
Some teachers say MPS make-up class guidelines are not followed
Apple now says it is looking into how users can reset their account passwords to ensure that their data is protected

to answer the question, it tests parallel structure

the discovery.... indicates that the development, the use of ...and the standardization of...occurred earlier than was prev believed
Correct Answer -- (C)

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Re: Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say [#permalink]
"earlier than was previously believed" here what and where is the subject of was

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Re: Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say [#permalink]
The first noticeable split is indicate vs indicates

The subject is discovery not shards. As the subject is singular, verb should also be singular

Eliminate A, B

Their reference is unclear in choice C, D , Eliminate C, D
Re: Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say [#permalink]
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(B) indicate that the development of a Harappan writing system, using

(B) has the same subject-verb error as (A): “the discovery… indicate” is wrong.

The parallelism is also a problem here. In some answer choices, we have “the discovery indicates that the development…, the use…, and the standardization… occurred many decades earlier…” Cool, that gives us three parallel nouns, and it makes sense to say that the three things all happened many decades earlier.

But in (B), “the use” has been changed to “using” – so now it’s a modifier, suggesting that “inscribed seals impressed into clay for marking ownership” were used to actually develop the writing system. And that doesn’t make much sense, since the seals that marked ownership didn't have anything to do with the development of the writing system.

So again, we have plenty of reasons to eliminate (B).

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(C) indicates that their development of a Harappan writing system, using

(C) has two familiar problems: first, “their” doesn’t make any sense. See the description of answer choice (A) for more on this issue. Second, the modifier “using…” doesn’t make sense, as described under answer choice (B).

So (C) is out, too.

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Hello sir,
Thanks for the fantastic explanation.
I've a query on the basis of adverbial modifier (COMMA+verbING). In both choice B and C, shouldn't 'COMMA+Using' modify either 'subject' of the preceding clause or, whole clause? The 'Harappan writing system' is the object of preposition. It seems that COMMA+USING should not modify it! It should modify the 'development'.

One important point to share that come up with my mind most of the times:
So far we know that 'COMMA+verbING' modifies either 'subject' or 'whole clause', IF and only IF the COMMA+verbING precedes a WHOLE CLAUSE. Unfortunately, 'development of a Harappan writing system' is NOT the clause anymore! So, can we knock out the choice B and C just by seeing that the part before COMMA+VerbING does not carry any whole clause?
Appreciating your help..
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How do you know that discovery is the subject and not Excavators?


Great question! To be clear, "Excavators" is the subject of this sentence. But the reason we know that "indicate" belongs to "discovery" and not "excavators" is because of meaning.

Let's look at these this meaning:

Excavators indicate their development of a Harappan writing system...

The issue here is that it sounds like the excavators are the ones who developed the Harappan writing system, but that is illogical since the excavators are in the present and the Harappan people are presumably in the past.

I go into this in more detail in this video:

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Re: Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say [#permalink]
(A) indicate their development of a Harappan writing system, the use of — SV error. “Discovery” is a singular subject that requires the singular verb “indicates”.

(B) indicate that the development of a Harappan writing system, using — same as A. Eliminate.

(C) indicates that their development of a Harappan writing system, using — “their” pronoun has no referent. Eliminate.

(D) indicates the development of a Harappan writing system, their use of — “their”. Same as C.

(E) indicates that the development of a Harappan writing system, the use of — correct. The meaning is also logically conveyed. The discovery indicated multiple things.

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Re: Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say [#permalink]
Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say the discovery of inscribed shards dating to circa 2800–2600 B.C. indicate their development of a Harappan writing system, the use of inscribed seals impressed into clay for marking ownership, and the standardization of weights for trade or taxation occurred many decades, if not centuries, earlier than was previously believed.


(A) indicate their development of a Harappan writing system, the use of
-Error 1: the discovery is the noun which is singular in question...; 'indicate' is plural
-Error 2: 'their' lacks a logical antecedent

(B) indicate that the development of a Harappan writing system, using
-Error 1: the discovery is the noun which is singular in question...; 'indicate' is plural
-Error 2: 'that' the development is a long modifier that doesn't end with a thought.
-Error 3: 'using' is not parallel

(C) indicates that their development of a Harappan writing system, using
-Error 1: 'their' lacks a logical antecedent
-Error 2: 'using' is not parallel

(D) indicates the development of a Harappan writing system, their use of
-Error 1: 'their'?

(E) indicates that the development of a Harappan writing system, the use of
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Re: Excavators at the Indus Valley site of Harappa in eastern Pakistan say [#permalink]
egmat wrote:
Hi all,

When "that" is used to connect an IC with a DC, then it is not necessary to explicitly write "that" between the two clauses.
You can read the following the article to know more about various usages of "that":

https://gmatclub.com/forum/learn-how-th ... 38358.html

Hope this helps. :)
Thanks.
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Thank you for this helpful article. I am stills struggling to understand when "that" needs to be after a verb.
She believes THAT she will win. vs. She believes she will win. --> seems like a sudle difference if there is a difference at all?
Gregory knows that Beyonce is a musician. vs. Gregory knows Beyonce is a musician. --> seems like a sudle difference, although the second sentence could mean that Greogory knows Beyonce personally/Beyonce is a musician.

Any further examples and advice on using this use of "that" would be greatly appreciative.

In other words, for the use of "that" in the examples above", I am aware that "that" may help clarify with meaning in a sentence. However, I am not sure when I should rule off an answer for a "that" missing when a "that" is required. Thank you for bearing with me :)
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