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please comment why D is an answer, according to me answer should be C



Film preservation requires transferring old movies from their original material—unstable, deteriorating nitrate film—to stable acetate film. But this is a time-consuming, expensive process, and there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate. So some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved.

Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

Conclusion:some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved.

Prethink: if some films have already been preserved from their original form in some form which does not disintegrate as original form
Assumption: NO film from the earliest state exist in original form

(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
Not many: fEW
Negate C: NO films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
Conclusion does not falls

(D) Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
Negate D: NO films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
Conclusion falls
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please comment why D is an answer, according to me answer should be C


I had the similar issue but try negating choices C & D and then see whether the assumption breaks with the negation
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4SL wrote:
please comment why D is an answer, according to me answer should be C


I had the similar issue but try negating choices C & D and then see whether the assumption breaks with the negation


(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
Not many: fEW
Negate C: NO films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
Conclusion does not falls

(D) Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
Negate D: NO films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
Conclusion falls
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Film preservation requires transferring old movies from their original material—unstable, deteriorating nitrate film—to stable acetate film. But this is a time-consuming, expensive process, and there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate. So some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved.

Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

(A) No new technology for transferring old movies from nitrate film to acetate film will ever be developed.
(B) Transferring films from nitrate to acetate is not the least expensive way of preserving them.
(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
(D) Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
(E) The least popular films from the earliest years of Hollywood are the ones most likely to be lost.


EASY question for 700 level. TIME time taken 2.41 sec.

(A) No new technology for transferring old movies from nitrate film to acetate film will ever be developed. (not mentioned )
(B) Transferring films from nitrate to acetate is not the least expensive way of preserving them. (FALSE )
(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate. ( definately cant assume this. i dont know, nowhere is given even the slightest hint)
(D) Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material. ( TRUE. there is ongoing process based on this info "So some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved." )
(E) The least popular films from the earliest years of Hollywood are the ones most likely to be lost. ( out of scope - not mentioned)


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please comment why D is an answer, according to me answer should be C



hi 4SL


how can you be sure that "Not many films" maybe many films have been transferred? or maybe just a couple of films

you dont have this information to assume safely. hence C out of scope.

Also unlike other posters i never use negation techinique. Just imagine real life situtation you are talking to someone say arguing with somone... and you say to your opponent hey let me negate your statement :lol: Just read. understand. and based on info provided assume. :grin:

(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
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Film preservation requires transferring old movies from their original material—unstable, deteriorating nitrate film—to stable acetate film. But this is a time-consuming, expensive process, and there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate. So some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved.

Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

(A) No new technology for transferring old movies from nitrate film to acetate film will ever be developed. --- Not needed
B) Transferring films from nitrate to acetate is not the least expensive way of preserving them. --- Not needed
(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate. -- Negated statement won't break conclusion
(D) Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material. -- Correct choice
(E) The least popular films from the earliest years of Hollywood are the ones most likely to be lost. --- Out of scope
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Only negation of D provides with a weakening argument.
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Film preservation requires transferring old movies from their original material—unstable, deteriorating nitrate film—to stable acetate film. But this is a time-consuming, expensive process, and there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate. So some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved.

Which one of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

(A) No new technology for transferring old movies from nitrate film to acetate film will ever be developed.
(B) Transferring films from nitrate to acetate is not the least expensive way of preserving them.
(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.
(D) Some films from the earliest years of Hollywood currently exist solely in their original material.
(E) The least popular films from the earliest years of Hollywood are the ones most likely to be lost.



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I am pretty sure that D is the right answer.

B can be discarded for being irrelevant. E can also be discarded for being out of scope, as can A. This leaves us with just C and D.

The conclusion here is that some films from the earliest years of Hollywood won’t be preserved. If we negate C, we get “No films from the earliest years of Hollywood have been transferred to acetate”. The conclusion still stands here, because if no films have been preserved on the stable, non-disintegrating medium and there is no way to transfer all of the films that are currently on the unstable medium (nitrate), before they disintegrate then some of them will be lost.



So, by PoE, D is the right answer.
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GMATNinja...
I have no doubt about D being the right choice. However on a different note when I negate statement C....shouldn't "Not Many" start as "Many"?
Please shed your thoughts..
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I have no doubt about D being the right choice. However on a different note when I negate statement C....shouldn't "Not Many" start as "Many"?
Please shed your thoughts..
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Another way to think about (C) is just to apply the answer choice as it is written to the conclusion of the argument.

The author concludes that "some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved," because "there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate."

Now, here's answer choice (C):
Quote:
(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.

Does it matter how many films have already been transferred to acetate for the author to reach his/her conclusion? Whether a whole bunch of films have already been transferred or none at all, the fact remains that "there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate." The author can reach his/her conclusion whether or not answer choice (C) is true, so it is not an assumption on which the argument depends.

I hope that helps!
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Answer for this as (D) seems like an answer for an inference question. Is it safe to go for assumption question also? AndrewN
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Answer for this as (D) seems like an answer for an inference question. Is it safe to go for assumption question also? AndrewN


There's a key difference between assumption and inference questions.

The former MUST BE TRUE for the LOGIC of the passage to work. Inferences are about extracting an idea from the passage. So long as that distinction is kept in mind, I suppose one can think of the answers to assumption questions using an inference.
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lakshya14 wrote:
Answer for this as (D) seems like an answer for an inference question. Is it safe to go for assumption question also? AndrewN


There's a key difference between assumption and inference questions.

The former MUST BE TRUE for the LOGIC of the passage to work. Inferences are about extracting an idea from the passage. So long as that distinction is kept in mind, I suppose one can think of the answers to assumption questions using an inference.

I am aware of the difference between inference and assumptions question, but is the answer for this question seems suitable for inference and not for assumption as the question asks for?
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Debashis Roy wrote:
GMATNinja...
I have no doubt about D being the right choice. However on a different note when I negate statement C....shouldn't "Not Many" start as "Many"?
Please shed your thoughts..
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Another way to think about (C) is just to apply the answer choice as it is written to the conclusion of the argument.

The author concludes that "some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved," because "there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate."

Now, here's answer choice (C):
Quote:
(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.

Does it matter how many films have already been transferred to acetate for the author to reach his/her conclusion? Whether a whole bunch of films have already been transferred or none at all, the fact remains that "there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate." The author can reach his/her conclusion whether or not answer choice (C) is true, so it is not an assumption on which the argument depends.

I hope that helps!


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after reading your response, what i understood you are trying to say is we are concerned about ' currently deteriorating' films.and not all films, hence answer choice C is not an assumption.

with the same logic, how then choice D is correct. Can you share your reasoning in detail for every answer choice.

Thanks in advance
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GMATNinja wrote:
Debashis Roy wrote:
GMATNinja...
I have no doubt about D being the right choice. However on a different note when I negate statement C....shouldn't "Not Many" start as "Many"?
Please shed your thoughts..
Thanks

Another way to think about (C) is just to apply the answer choice as it is written to the conclusion of the argument.

The author concludes that "some films from the earliest years of Hollywood will not be preserved," because "there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate."

Now, here's answer choice (C):
Quote:
(C) Not many films from the earliest years of Hollywood have already been transferred to acetate.

Does it matter how many films have already been transferred to acetate for the author to reach his/her conclusion? Whether a whole bunch of films have already been transferred or none at all, the fact remains that "there is no way to transfer all currently deteriorating nitrate films to acetate before they disintegrate." The author can reach his/her conclusion whether or not answer choice (C) is true, so it is not an assumption on which the argument depends.

I hope that helps!


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after reading your response, what i understood you are trying to say is we are concerned about ' currently deteriorating' films.and not all films, hence answer choice C is not an assumption.

with the same logic, how then choice D is correct. Can you share your reasoning in detail for every answer choice.

Thanks in advance

You can't put same logic for D just like that.
The content/context in D is more a NECESSARY(must be) condition than OPEN one as is the case with C. In C it CAN be true or it MAY not.
Whatever it is we need to see whether some of the earliest films, in their original form/material, are still going to be left out that would support the conclusion.
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Answer for this as (D) seems like an answer for an inference question. Is it safe to go for assumption question also? AndrewN

Great question.

Inference question correct answers and Assumption question correct answers are related. Inference question correct answers must be true if the statements in the passage are true, and Assumption question answers must be true in order for the conclusion of the argument to follow from the evidence.

So, it's not surprising that the correct answer to this Assumption question seems to be an inference that can be drawn from what the passage says.

Regarding whether choice (D) is an assumption upon which the argument relies and, thus, is the correct answer, it is. In order for the conclusion to follow from the premises, it must be the case that at least some of the earliest films exist solely in their original, less stable, material. After all, if none of the earliest films have yet to be transferred, then the conclusion is not correct.
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