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Hello friends, first and foremost let me thank you all for participating in and contributing to this wonderful forum. I can imagine that, like me, thousands of others have found community and encouragement on this site. Although I have not posted before, and only just recently made an account, I have been using gmatclub as a resource since I decided to sit for the GMAT. I am writing now, over a month after the date of my exam, because it's just now that I am feeling proud of what I accomplished, and how I accomplished it.

I was never a good student. I never studied, never did any homework, and was famously disorganized. I never thought I would want to or even could pursue a postgraduate degree. But eventually something changed and after some introspection, I decided that I wanted more out of life, and more from myself. Fast forwarding to February of this year, I decided to take the GMAT and demanded nothing less than perfection from myself.

Because of my work and personal schedule, I could only study for three days out of the week. I would study from 2 pm to 7 pm, and would think about the test obsessively. I learned a few things I think are worth sharing.

1. Just about everyone I spoke to mentioned that the study plan I had carved out for myself was unrealistic and counterproductive. It takes some people a short while to get into a study groove, but I found that it would take me a significant amount of time to get settled in and feel fully present and fully engaged with my study materials. Having the big study window took some of the initial pressure off and allowed me to get comfortable at my own pace. The few times I tried to study in smaller intervals I saw no benefit compared to when I stuck to my guns. Find what works for you.

2. Nothing will cripple your plans and routine like poor/insufficient sleep. Nothing will help you stay on track and focused like good, sustained rest. Work on your sleep hygiene and make an effort to get sun in the mornings/early afternoon. I had not realized how much of my past demotivation was linked to irregular circadian rhythms and a lack of quality sleep. Wakefulness was crucial to the motivation and stamina I needed for my marathon study sessions. Giving some thought to how you can sleep better could yield serious benefits.

3. The OG study materials should be the core component of any study plan. If possible, spring for the extra verbal and quant review books as well. However, I think that sticking to exercises that are at one's level of competency is crucial, so using materials that let you filter by difficulty should be prioritized. It is also very important to understand the format and nuances of the test, and the official guides are the best tools for achieving this. I will also add that in my case I found it instructive to start my prep with untimed time controls, and only began to worry about time after the first few practice tests.

4. Teaching the material you are learning will help you encode and retain info! Find friends, family members, co-workers, forums, anybody and anything! Teaching and discussing problems are the best way to comprehend and retain material (particularly the tricky stuff).

5. I found it essential to understand why I found certain problems difficult. As an example, I realized there were many world problems (particularly Manhattan Prep ones) that would tie a knot in my brain and I would have to re-read several times. I discovered that these problems were difficult for me because I was trying to visually piece the data together linearly, and after some thought, I determined it would be better to start with what the answer SHOULD look like and work backward. That small change saved me tons of time and helped me limit my errors.

6. Lastly, I believe taking practice tests regularly and frequently should be an integral part of any study plan. Practice tests can help you understand the test itself and develop appropriate goals. They can help you diagnose issues in your study regimen and materials, as well. The official tests are best, but I used Manhattan Prep mocks to deal with more difficult quant problems just in case.

I started studying in late February and took my test on June 1st. I will list the materials I used below (I purchased several more, but I will only list the ones I actually used):

GMAT OG +Quant & Verbal Review (excellent, unrivaled accuracy)
Manhattan Prep Advanced GMAT Quant (good for refining techniques)
Math Revolution Question Bank (good for itemized, high difficulty practice)
gmatclub SC pdf
gmatclub DS/PS threads

It's important to note I started with a relatively high baseline on my first practice tests (740-50q, 44v) but had pronounced weaknesses in SC and DS. Looking back I should have spent more time reviewing the verbal section. I wanted a perfect 800, and was disappointed when I didn't get it. However, now I realize that I underwent a transformation for the better, and if I could do it anyone can do it too.

Anyways, the point of this post, outside of sharing my experience, is to motivate any lurkers out there to challenge and demand more from themselves.

I am planning to take the LSAT next, and cannot seem to find a place (like this one) to help me plan my preparation. Can any of you fine people point me in the right direction?
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Many Congratulations fsant8824 for having done with your GMAT and that too with such splendid score :thumbup:

Your detailed debrief indeed could be motivating to many of the GMAT aspirants, more so to a lurker like me :-D
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First off, congratulations on the great score! As I am currently undergoing my LSAT prep, I'd be happy to help you in any way I can.

Shoot me a PM if you would like to discuss. This forum has many great resources to help you through the LSAT.
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Congratulations fsant8824! That's a wicked score!

Thank you for the tips! Teaching is a great one - I have never learned as much as trying to teach someone - very true!
What was your starting point? What was your diagnostic/first CAT score? I suspect quite high since I see you mostly focused on questions rather than actual background/fundamental math/grammar/logic rules & strategies.
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fsant8824 780!!! That's Wow...
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Thank you for such a detailed debrief and description!

I am certain you have helped out a lot of people with sharing your process and thoughts that went into achieving such a great score!

All the best for the challenges ahead,
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bb Thank you! And yes, teaching helps us articulate some of the things we take for granted, and usually leads to a deeper understanding. My first Practice test was an official one. I scored a 740. After that I scored 760, 770, 780, 780, 780. I REALLY wanted an 800, but it wasn't in the cards this time. Maybe I'll try again after my LSAT!
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Congrats fsant8824. This is a great score and motivation to folks like me still studying for the exam. Just out of curiosity, can you mention the materials you bought and didn't use? Thanks and best wishes!
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funsogu I purchased Kaplan 800, Veritas question banks, and some other Sentence correction e-books I never got around to reading.

houston1980 I don't have the ESR, sorry. I might purchase it if I plan to take it again for the 800, though
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fsant8824 wrote:
Hello friends, first and foremost let me thank you all for participating in and contributing to this wonderful forum. I can imagine that, like me, thousands of others have found community and encouragement on this site. Although I have not posted before, and only just recently made an account, I have been using gmatclub as a resource since I decided to sit for the GMAT. I am writing now, over a month after the date of my exam, because it's just now that I am feeling proud of what I accomplished, and how I accomplished it.


Congrats mate. I'm sure members will find inspiration from such a performance. Good luck for the road ahead.

You still made a jump of 40 points from your first mock to the final test and in the high scoring league, that's quite significant. Do share your feedback about the materials you used for preparation. What did you find most useful?
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nishantd88 I found the OG to be most useful. The questions were very consistent in style and flavor. The quant questions were interesting yet straightforward. This is important because I am easily distracted by cool math stuff, some questions from MPrep and Math Revolution got my mind working creatively toward more general, more abstract, proof-y math things and I didn't get much done. For verbal I don't remember liking much else, although I didn't do as much prep as I should have for that section.
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Congratulations on the near perfect score!! Good luck with LSAT as well!

I could easily relate to all the tips in your debrief! I think no one has mentioned some of these before.

Would you mind elaborating on point 5? How did you determine what the answer should look like and work backward? Did you pick up some strategies from some prep material?
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nkin That's a good question. The message in point five is to self-diagnose, going beyond asking "why did I get this wrong" to asking "why was this difficult for me in the first place" or "why is this kind of problem always tough for me". In my case, my mind would often "reset" while reading certain word problems, and I realized that instead of constructing the problem linearly as it would read on screen, I could start at the answer (presented in variable terms) and work backward with the info presented in the problem. I don't know how helpful that specific point can be to others, as it requires a certain amount of intuition, but it changed everything for me.

I really only did self-prep, but I did pick up an organizational tool for data sufficiency from Manhattan Prep. Using a T chart to restate the question and keep the 2 statements separate was helpful visually and helped my accuracy.
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New post 27 Jul 2018, 10:21
Congratulations!! fantastic score!

Can you please elaborate on your test day experience?
- selection of sections,
- break strategy, (any specific foods you ate)
- test day revision, if any,
- the time slot you took the test,
- was the time slot same as the one you used for practice tests?
- your sleep the night before the test
- Did you spend more than average time on any questions?
- Verbal timing strategy, especially to handle Long RC & tougher CR questions
- From which sections were the tough questions, on the actual test.

Appreciate your posting a detailed debrief, great tips there!


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GyMrAT I'd be happy to!

-I took the quant first, followed by the verbal, IR, and essay
-Coconut water and trail mix (almonds, dark chocolate, blueberries)
-I reviewed some questions I had flagged throughout the course of my prep a couple of hours before the test
-3 pm, most practice tests I took around Noon/1pm
-I didn't sleep very well, to be honest, I was really wired and couldn't wait for the test
-I spent almost 7 minutes on a single PS word problem. It wasn't hard I just froze up, and reverted to some bad habits. I was also slow going through RC on the actual test when compared to my prep. I still finished the verbal part with 20ish minutes to spare.
-I never really made any mistakes on CR or RC in my prep (I was at >99% accuracy), SC was my weakness (still is). I didn't do anything special for RC or CR outside of practice questions.
-I handled one tough sequences/number properties PS question, one tough geometry DS question, but the quant section was pretty easy all things considered. Still only finished with 3-4 mins to spare. SC felt harder overall.

I got an 8 on the IR section without any prep at all, I can't offer any insight there. I didn't even do the IR questions on the OG or the practice tests. The questions just felt really straightforward/easy. Didn't prep for the essay either. Trying to master the quant and verbal was more than enough to keep me busy.
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Thanks! This is really helpful.

Got a couple of more questions:

1) Any specific study strategy you used for improving at SC? Or in general how did you prep for SC & steps you took to improve at SC?

2) Do you follow a set process for CR?, if yes then would you please elaborate the process

Really appreciate you taking the time out to answer the questions.

I am sure you are busy preparing your applications.


All the Best!!


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Congrats for such a great score!!
I want to know about the strategy to tackle SC.
It would be helpful if you can share how you prepared for SC.
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GyMrAT Bismarck SC was and still is a challenge for me. I have a good ear for the 600-700 level questions, but my brain reads through the sentences too quickly and I miss certain grammatical inconsistencies at the 700+ level. I can't slow my brain down, and I have a hard time studying grammar and reading through SC books (doesn't interest me at all, honestly). I had to change my approach. I was told that the GMAT is testing you on meaning above all else. That really helped some things click for me. I focused primarily on meaning after that. I would try to extract the meaning of the sentence and eliminate any options that could be interpreted in a different way (playing devil's advocate against the choices). I would then select the choice that BEST preserved the meaning, and didn't think about grammar too actively. I then went through as many practice questions as I could (about 20-30 per study day). I think if I want an 800 I will need to refine my strategy somehow, though.

As for CR, I wish I could say what I did. I followed no procedure. I just feel like I understand what the GMAT wants in CR. I can find ways to make several of the answer choices work for any given CR problem, but I have a feel for what the test-makers want and I ignore the other possibilities. I would say do everything in your power to REALLY understand and appreciate why the "correct" answer is correct, and let that inform your selection process. Little by little you'll be inside the test-makers' heads and know what they want. Developing that sense is more important than any time-consuming procedure. A little meta-cognition can go a long way, I've always found.
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The LSAT.... essentially a GMAT for less worldy folks. IT contains Critical Reasoning questions of a similar format and structure as GMAT, but with a slightly more abstract flavour. So the logic models in play for GMAT are on the LSAT too, but with less of the real-world context. Also, there is Reading Comprehension, and finally there are logic games. For these, given your GMAT score, you'll just need to practice a few sets to get the hang of the procedures and some of the major variations. Enjoy; it's a lovely next step.

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I am planning to take the LSAT next, and cannot seem to find a place (like this one) to help me plan my preparation. Can any of you fine people point me in the right direction?

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GyMrAT Bismarck SC was and still is a challenge for me. I have a good ear for the 600-700 level questions, but my brain reads through the sentences too quickly and I miss certain grammatical inconsistencies at the 700+ level. I can't slow my brain down, and I have a hard time studying grammar and reading through SC books (doesn't interest me at all, honestly). I had to change my approach. I was told that the GMAT is testing you on meaning above all else. That really helped some things click for me. I focused primarily on meaning after that. I would try to extract the meaning of the sentence and eliminate any options that could be interpreted in a different way (playing devil's advocate against the choices). I would then select the choice that BEST preserved the meaning, and didn't think about grammar too actively. I then went through as many practice questions as I could (about 20-30 per study day). I think if I want an 800 I will need to refine my strategy somehow, though.

As for CR, I wish I could say what I did. I followed no procedure. I just feel like I understand what the GMAT wants in CR. I can find ways to make several of the answer choices work for any given CR problem, but I have a feel for what the test-makers want and I ignore the other possibilities. I would say do everything in your power to REALLY understand and appreciate why the "correct" answer is correct, and let that inform your selection process. Little by little you'll be inside the test-makers' heads and know what they want. Developing that sense is more important than any time-consuming procedure. A little meta-cognition can go a long way, I've always found.



Thanks!! Appreciate your insights!!


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