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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
--> correct.

B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales

C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November

D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November

E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,
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(A) but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,

Is sentence in the correct answer A lack of preposition in between sales and this past November ? Also in A, we can see that there is preposition in between sales and previous Novembers.
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According to e-gmat verbal comparisons , isn't - when compared/contrasted to/with is non-idiomatic ?

I eliminated all options based on this .

Can you please throw some light on this question.
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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, - Correct
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales - It refers to sales and is thus incorrect ; sales is compared with previous novembers
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November - Sales are compared with Novembers
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November - "so that" shows purpose ; Sales are compared with Novembers
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales, - "so that" shows purpose

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According to e-gmat verbal comparisons , isn't - when compared/contrasted to/with is non-idiomatic ?

I eliminated all options based on this .

Can you please throw some light on this question.
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Hi Nightmare007,


Thank you for the query. :-)


It is true that generally on GMAT SC, when compared to/with is deemed incorrect. However, the context of this official sentence makes this idiom work.


Let's evaluate what this sentence intends to convey. The sentence says typically, light trucks sell the most in November. However, the past November experienced a remarkable increase in total vehicle sales. The sales was remarkable even when it is compared with sales in previous Novembers.

So the expression even when compared with presents the condition that even if the comparison is made with the sales previous Novembers, the sales of the past November accounted for very high total vehicle sales.

Hence, the context of this sentence, the usage of even when compared with is correct.


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There seems to be a plethora of doubts regarding the correct use of ---when compared with/to, as compared with/to, in contrast with/to ---and so on. But is there any official instance in GMAT in which a choice has been solely rejected on the basis of such distinctions?
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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even
when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle
sales.

A. but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
Correct

B. but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
“it” is ambiguous…also, even if “it” is used to refer “sales of Novembers” it is in correct since singular “it” does NOT agree in the number with Plural “sales”

C. but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
Here the comparison is between “they” (referring to “sales”) and “previous Novembers”

D. so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
“so that” changes the meaning …also illogical comparison with “Previous Novembers”

E. so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,
“so that” changes the meaning
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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,

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Meaning wins over all the rules.

The meaning of the sentence is that Sales in November are usually high, but the sales during the recent November overtook all previous Novembers and accounted for remarkable large share of sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,. Meaning looks pretty clear. We have contrast by the word 'but'. Sales is compared with sales.
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales. 'it' is singular and is used wrongly with plural 'sales'
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November. Replace 'they' with Sales- but even when sales are compared with previous Novembers. Sales are compared with Novembers.
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November. 'so that' shows result, whereas we want contrast
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,. 'so that' shows result, whereas we want contrast

A is the answer



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IS 'SALES' Singular or Plural ? I am confused on this.

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I don't understand why we need to use "but" to contrast 2 ICs here.
First sentence says that "November is traditionally the strongest month for selling truck"
Second sentence says that "Sales of past November accounted for a remarkable large share of total vehicles"
Doesn't it mean "past november's sales is really high just as it used to be"



Earlier IC talks about sales of Light Truck, other talks about total sales of truck, hence but is used.

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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,

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Sentence Analysis
The sentence begins by saying that November is generally the strongest month for sales of light trucks. Then, we have ‘but’, so we can expect some contrast. The sentence then says ‘sales this past November’ followed by a modifier within double commas. A modifier within double commas means it is not essential to the meaning of the sentence. The part after ‘but’ says that sales in last November accounted for a very large share of total vehicle sales, even in comparison to sales in previous Novembers.

So, the contrast is just that even though November is generally the strongest month for sales but last November still produced exceptionally high sales.

Everything appears fine here. The sales of past November are correctly compared with sales of past Novembers.

Option Analysis
(A) Correct. There is no error in the original sentence.

(B) Incorrect. In this option, ‘it’ stands for November. Therefore, this option illogically compares November in general to previous Novembers. If it had compared last November to previous Novembers, it might still have made sense; however, the given comparison is completely illogical.

(C) Incorrect. In this option, ‘they’ (plural pronoun) can refer to sales, light trucks (nouns appearing earlier than ‘they’), or sales this past November (noun appearing after ‘they’). Doesn’t matter which of these nouns it refers to, the comparison with previous Novembers is going to be illogical.

(D) Incorrect. For the following reasons:

Even though ‘so that’ is generally used to provide purpose, it can also be used in the sense of ‘with the result that’. The sentence seems to be using ‘so that’ in the latter sense. However, the latter part is not the result of the first part; it is rather presented, quite logically, as a contrast in the original sentence. Therefore, the use of ‘so that’ is incorrect.
This option compares ‘sales of light trucks’ with previous Novembers. Clearly, an illogical comparison.

(E) Incorrect. It repeats the ‘so that’ error of option D. Also, since the sales do not belong to November (they just happen in November), it is preferable to say “sales this past November” or “Sales in previous Novembers” rather than “this past November’s sales” or “previous November’s sales”.

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I've also got to the trap. E-gmat states that "when compared/contrasted to" and also "as contrasted with" is incorrect. Not a single word about "when compared with". However, they state not to used this word with as/with, so one might imply that "when compared with" is incorrect, which is not true, as we see in this example. Be diligent!


Same here. As per e-gmat "when compared with " is wrong! Gosh! Confused now.!

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manlog wrote:
Regarding @e-gmat:
I've also got to the trap. E-gmat states that "when compared/contrasted to" and also "as contrasted with" is incorrect. Not a single word about "when compared with". However, they state not to used this word with as/with, so one might imply that "when compared with" is incorrect, which is not true, as we see in this example. Be diligent!


Same here. As per e-gmat "when compared with " is wrong! Gosh! Confused now.!


November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

A but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,
COMPARISON IS CORRECT IN THIS OPTION -- sales this past November are compared with sales in previous Novembers. This comparison is NOT correct in most of the choices. So what we can learn from this question is that we cannot blindly rely on an idiom and just mark an option wrong on seeing the same in a sentence. We need to look for the major errors first.

B but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales
Here 'it' refers to November, as if we are comparing November month in general to the previous Novembers, this is NON SENSICAL.

C but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
Here 'they' refers to sales AND we are comparing sales with previous Novembers. Again NON SENSICAL.

D so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November
Here, so that is used to mean "WITH THE RESULT THAT" not to mean or specify purpose. But that usage is again hampering the meaning. Also, here again sales compared with previous Novembers. So, NON SENSICAL.

E so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,
Usage of so that is not correct.

Hi egghead2017,

I too agree with you that as per e-gmat "when compared with " is wrong! But if you look at other choices, there are several comparison errors. We cannot neglect them as they are hampering the intended meaning. So what we can learn from this question is that we cannot blindly rely on an idiom and just mark an option wrong on seeing the same in a sentence. We need to look for the major errors first which can effect the intended meaning.

Similar is the case with usage of 'AND ALSO', but its usage is not redundant in every damn question.

Hope it clears your query! :)

Happy Prepping!

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November is traditionally the strongest month for sales of light trucks, but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers, accounted for a remarkably large share of total vehicle sales.

(A) but sales this past November, even when compared with sales in previous Novembers,

(B) but even when it is compared with previous Novembers, this past November’s sales

(C) but even when they are compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November

(D) so that compared with previous Novembers, sales of light trucks this past November

(E) so that this past November’s sales, even compared with previous Novembers’ sales,


First glance

The underline starts with the conjunction but, so this sentence may be testing sentence structure, meaning, or an idiom.

Issues

(1) Pronoun: it

Answers (B) and (C) both use a pronoun in the same location in the sentence, but (B) uses it and (C) uses they. Check for a singular-plural match.

In both cases, logically, the pronoun should refer to the plural noun sales (later in the sentence); in other words, the pronoun should be plural. Eliminate answer (B).

Note: if you say that it refers to the singular November in answer (B), then the comparison is faulty. Previous Novembers aren’t supposed to be compared with the month of November in general; they are supposed to be compared with this past November.

(2) Comparison: X compared with Y

When you see a comparison marker, make sure that the comparison is apples to apples.

(A) sales this past November… compared with sales in previous Novembers

(B) it [sales] is compared with previous Novembers

(C) they [sales] are compared with previous Novembers

(D) compared with previous Novembers, sales…this past November

(E) this past November’s sales, … compared with previous Novembers’ sales

Fix: Answers (B), (C), and (D) compare sales to previous Novembers. This is a faulty comparison. Answers (A) and (E) correctly compare sales from one period to sales from another period. Eliminate answers (B), (C), and (D).

(3) Meaning: so that

Answers (A), (B), and (C) all start with but; answers (D) and (E) start with so that. What’s the difference?

The sentence is trying to convey a surprising fact. It is already the case that November is typically a strong month for light truck sales. Surprisingly, this past November was even stronger than usual. The contrast word but can appropriately link these two sentence together: you already knew something was true, but it was even more true this past November!

The phrase so that conveys a cause-effect relationship: She studied hard so that she would get a good score on the test. This isn’t the right meaning for the official sentence; it isn’t the case that November is traditionally the strongest month so that (in order to cause) it would be even stronger this past November. Eliminate answers (D) and (E) for faulty meaning.

The Correct Answer

Correct answer (A) makes a valid comparison between sales this past November and sales in previous Novembers. Note that some people may dislike this choice because it can seem wordy; wordiness by itself is not a good enough reason to cross off an answer. Look for errors in grammar or meaning!
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