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Poll: Yale SOM ($50k) vs. Kellogg (no scholarship)

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Hi All,

I have been admitted to Yale SOM Kellogg off the WL.

A little bit about me: Currently working in a Big 4 strategy consulting practice in Canada (5 years experience at matriculation).

Post MBA: a number of options I could pursue-
1. PM or Corp strategy role at likes of Google, Microsoft, etc.
2. MBB consulting


Geography preference: if it's MBB my first preference would be Canada otherwise Chicago

Yale SOM

Pros:
+ Global brand - wonder if it's stronger than Kellogg in Canada
+ Integrated perspectives- I do like how the core courses are positioned as stakeholders - makes things more interesting as I am a CPA and at any other school would waive the accounting, econ courses.
+ Fit: At interview day, the guest/mock lecture on negotiations was energetic and powerful. I've gotten a good vibe from current students and alumni. They've been extremely helpful.
+ Consulting recruiting
+ $50k for two years scholarship

Cons:
- On paper, Yale has a smaller class going into Tech. I am keen on knowing if that's self-selection in that Yale attracts bankers and consultants rather than Techies? I.e. Do I have the same shot at Google at Yale as I would at Kellogg?

- Limited experiential learning - A huge fan of learning by doing (loved Kellogg programs for this but wonder how many courses would that really be...maybe one lab course?)

Kellogg

Pros
+ Action-based learning: Lab courses are a huge draw
+ Course options
+ Fit: students seem down to earth here as well. Haven't interacted super closely so can't comment beyond that. Course taught as a mock lecture was very representative of what I'd say a normal class
+ Tech: seems like the place to be for tech recruiting
+ Consulting
+ Location

Cons
- Non B-school brand
- No $$

Hope this gives everyone a good view into where my head's at. Happy to hear thoughts! As you can tell I'm looking for both short and long term success.

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Originally posted by ak99 on 13 Jun 2019, 17:30.
Last edited by ak99 on 14 Jun 2019, 08:22, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Poll: Yale SOM ($50k) vs. Kellogg (no scholarship)  [#permalink]

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Kellogg was good till a decade back, but it’s on the decline against the mighty Booth (and MIT).
Yale is giving you $50k, take it... and try to get a job outside of consulting in tech or whatever. You’ll be close to NYC, so you'll be able to network and find jobs. NYC > Chicago.
Yale has the ivy star power which doesn’t mean anything in USA, but it’s still regarded in the rest of the world.

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With your career goals in mind, my vote here is for Kellogg. SOM has done a fantastic job over the past couple years and solidified itself as a T15 school. However, it is still leagues behind Kellogg. The majority of people seem to conflate the undergraduate/law school brand of Yale with SOM. So, I'll be going through your career prospects at both programs to help remedy this.

Overall, SOM lags 25k/year behind Kellogg in median compensation figures 6-8 years out. Now before the board goes "but wait, Yale sends like 5 people to non profit a year, bringing the figures down!" Kellogg sends substantially more to marketing positions, which are also represented on the lower end of the median.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017 ... s-schools/

Now for your specific industries:
1. PM recruiting - Yale sent 4 to google last year, Kellogg sent 9. Since Kellogg actually publishes their employment numbers, we can look into other top companies - 7 to FB, 5 to Apple, 3 to uber, 9 to MSFT, and 3 to Sf. Yale simply does not place this quantity into "top" tech positions, even if you adjust for Kellogg's class size. So your network here will be far stronger.

2. Consulting recruiting - if your goal here was MBB in Chicago, I don't think you should even be considering SOM. But since returning to Cannada is your top choice, this is a bit more complicated. Overall, Kellogg is quite a bit better at placing into MBB relative to SOM (60%+ MBB rate, vs mid 40s for SOM). But the market is likely more nuanced, so I took a look at MBB alumni living there from linkedin. Kellogg has 13 at Bain, 12 at MCK, and 11 at BCG in Canada. SOM has a whopping 2 MCK, 1 Bain and 1 BCG. Essentially, the alumni network is non-existent.

So, to reiterate, if your career goals remain unchanged, Kellogg should be your choice here. Now if you want to impress the barista at Starbucks, and have slightly less financial indenture for 4-5 years (your lifetime earnings will be most likely be higher at Kellogg) then go to SOM.
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Thanks for posting ak99!

Interesting analysis was done by Narenn that found many people choosing higher-ranked schools in lieu of slightly lower ranked Top10, and even with scholarships. https://gmatclub.com/forum/value-of-a-t ... l#p2293630

About 2/3 of users chose higher ranked schools irrespective of scholarship offered and about 1/3 chose lower ranked schools. Some of the data indicated that people chose lower-ranked schools even without scholarship money (perhaps basing it on their impression, experience, fit or preference... or perhaps due to forgetting to tick "scholarship" box on the decision tracker)...

I hope ENGRTOMBA2018 can weigh in or Wilch ?
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ak99 wrote:
Hi All,

I have been admitted to Yale SOM Kellogg off the WL.

A little bit about me: Currently working in a Big 4 strategy consulting practice in Canada (5 years experience at matriculation).

Post MBA: a number of options I could pursue-
1. PM or Corp strategy role at likes of Google, Microsoft, etc.
2. MBB consulting


Geography preference: if it's MBB my first preference would be Canada otherwise Chicago

Yale SOM

Pros:
+ Global brand - wonder if it's stronger than Kellogg in Canada
+ Integrated perspectives- I do like how the core courses are positioned as stakeholders - makes things more interesting as I am a CPA and at any other school would waive the accounting, econ courses.
+ Fit: At interview day, the guest/mock lecture on negotiations was energetic and powerful. I've gotten a good vibe from current students and alumni. They've been extremely helpful.
+ Consulting recruiting
+ $50k for two years scholarship

Cons:
- On paper, Yale has a smaller class going into Tech. I am keen on knowing if that's self-selection in that Yale attracts bankers and consultants rather than Techies? I.e. Do I have the same shot at Google at Yale as I would at Kellogg?

- Limited experiential learning - A huge fan of learning by doing (loved Kellogg programs for this but wonder how many courses would that really be...maybe one lab course?)

Kellogg

Pros
+ Action-based learning: Lab courses are a huge draw
+ Course options
+ Fit: students seem down to earth here as well. Haven't interacted super closely so can't comment beyond that. Course taught as a mock lecture was very representative of what I'd say a normal class
+ Tech: seems like the place to be for tech recruiting
+ Consulting
+ Location

Cons
- Non B-school brand
- No $$

Hope this gives everyone a good view into where my head's at. Happy to hear thoughts! As you can tell I'm looking for both short and long term success.

Posted from my mobile device


Wait, did I just read it as Kellogg is a "non b-school brand". If this is what you wrote, then I am afraid you need to do more research. I am a Canadian management consultant, graduated from Kellogg 2Y FT MBA program and was interviewed by Kellogg alum in Montreal. Kellogg has a big MBB network in Toronto and Montreal, by virtue of its 2Y and 1Y FT MBA programs. The sheer size of the class at Kellogg gives it a tremendous leg up over Yale as the vast majority of alum are extremely responsive. Yes, Yale is an Ivy League but its prestige is lower when you talk about its b-school. $50k for 2 years is nothing in the grand scheme of an MBA. Thus, my vote is for Kellogg this time. Had it been HSW or Booth against Kellogg, yes, I would have recommended otherwise but this is a no-brainer in your case. Feel free to DM me for specific questions you might have. Happy to guide you.

I am so surprised to see people just randomly choosing one school or the other without providing their justification.
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ENGRTOMBA2018 wrote:
Wait, did I just read it as Kellogg is a "non b-school brand". If this is what you wrote, then I am afraid you need to do more research. I am a Canadian management consultant, graduated from Kellogg 2Y FT MBA program and was interviewed by Kellogg alum in Montreal. Kellogg has a big MBB network in Toronto and Montreal, by virtue of its 2Y and 1Y FT MBA programs. The sheer size of the class at Kellogg gives it a tremendous leg up over Yale as the vast majority of alum are extremely responsive. Yes, Yale is an Ivy League but its prestige is lower when you talk about its b-school. $50k for 2 years is nothing in the grand scheme of an MBA. Thus, my vote is for Kellogg this time. Had it been HSW or Booth against Kellogg, yes, I would have recommended otherwise but this is a no-brainer in your case. Feel free to DM me for specific questions you might have. Happy to guide you.

I am so surprised to see people just randomly choosing one school or the other without providing their justification.


I 100% agree with your assessment on Kellogg but I think there might have been a slight misunderstanding between you and the OP.
My interpretation was that he considered the brand of Yale overall to be stronger than the brand of Northwestern overall (apart from their respective b-schools).
While one could still discuss that assessment, it certainly has more merit than calling Kellogg a "non-brand" b-school (which would frankly be outrageous :-D ).

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You are right. Already clarified this with Op via DM. All good.

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ENGRTOMBA2018 wrote:
Wait, did I just read it as Kellogg is a "non b-school brand". If this is what you wrote, then I am afraid you need to do more research. I am a Canadian management consultant, graduated from Kellogg 2Y FT MBA program and was interviewed by Kellogg alum in Montreal. Kellogg has a big MBB network in Toronto and Montreal, by virtue of its 2Y and 1Y FT MBA programs. The sheer size of the class at Kellogg gives it a tremendous leg up over Yale as the vast majority of alum are extremely responsive. Yes, Yale is an Ivy League but its prestige is lower when you talk about its b-school. $50k for 2 years is nothing in the grand scheme of an MBA. Thus, my vote is for Kellogg this time. Had it been HSW or Booth against Kellogg, yes, I would have recommended otherwise but this is a no-brainer in your case. Feel free to DM me for specific questions you might have. Happy to guide you.

I am so surprised to see people just randomly choosing one school or the other without providing their justification.


I 100% agree with your assessment on Kellogg but I think there might have been a slight misunderstanding between you and the OP.
My interpretation was that he considered the brand of Yale overall to be stronger than the brand of Northwestern overall (apart from their respective b-schools).
While one could still discuss that assessment, it certainly has more merit than calling Kellogg a "non-brand" b-school (which would frankly be outrageous :-D ).

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