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Rachel is throwing a die with sides numbered consecutively from 1 to x. What is the probability that she gets at least one x?



(1) The probability of getting an x on either of the two times that Rachel throws the die is. 1/5



(2) If Rachel had thrown the die one more time, the probability of getting at least one x would have been. 61/25


A for me too.

(1) says dice has 5 sides.
probability of NOT gettign ANY x in two throws: 4/5 * 4/5 = 16/25
therefore, probability of getting ATLEAST one x = 1 - 16/25 = 9/25

(2) 61/25 > 1. Can we have probabilities greater than 1???
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Well, it's not A, so it has to be D. btw Macedon, I assume you meant to type 16/25 and not 61/25. Even so, one more adjustment is needed: I think the second statement should read 9/25 and not 16/25. Otherwise, I don't see how this can be solved.
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Statement 1: the probability equals
1 - (4/5)^2 = 9/25, where 4/5 is the probability not to get an x

Statement 2: similar reasoning as above. The probability to get at least 1 x equals 1-(the probability to get no x's). On every throw the probability not to get an x equals (x-1)/x. Let's say we throw the die y times, so we have

P(1 or more x) = 1 - ((x-1)/x)^y

and 1 - ((x-1)/x)^(y+1) = 9/25

=> ((x-1)/x)^(y+1) = 16/25

x-1 and x are consecutive numbers. For any power n, there is no way that (x-1/x)^n can be presented as (simplified to) anything other than ((x-1)^n)/(x^n), because the two numbers do not have any common factors. I mean that 16/25 must represent the second power of 4 divided by the second power of 5.

We can therefore say that x=5 and y=1. The statement is sufficient.
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Well, it's not A, so it has to be D. btw Macedon, I assume you meant to type 16/25 and not 61/25. I also think there is a mistake in the second statement, and it should read 9/25. Otherwise, I don't see how this can be solved.
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Statement 1: the probability equals
1 - (4/5)^2 = 9/25, where 4/5 is the probability not to get an x

Statement 2: similar reasoning as above. The probability to get at least 1 x equals 1-(the probability to get no x's). On every throw the probability not to get an x equals (x-1)/x. Let's say we throw the die y times, so we have

P(1 or more x) = 1 - ((x-1)/x)^y

and 1 - ((x-1)/x)^(y+1) = 9/25

=> ((x-1)/x)^(y+1) = 16/25

x-1 and x are consecutive numbers. For any power n, there is no way that (x-1/x)^n can be presented as (simplified to) anything other than ((x-1)^n)/(x^n), because the two numbers do not have any common factors. I mean that 16/25 must represent the second power of 4 divided by the second power of 5.

We can therefore say that x=5 and y=1. The statement is sufficient.


I figured B is obviously not sufficient alone because it say "one more time" and we do not know one more time from what many number of times?
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I figured B is obviously not sufficient alone because it say "one more time" and we do not know one more time from what many number of times?


Ranga, I can't come up with a better explanation than what I put up above. The validity of my solution is contingent upon a wrong stem.

If thе text of the problem is exactly as in Macedon's first post, I agree with A.
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THIS IS A QUESTION FROM A CAT OF PRINCETON WEBSITE....HERE IT IS THE EXPLANATION...

Yes. The pieces of the puzzle approach is useful in solving this problem. To find the probability of getting at least one x, you need to know the number of faces on the die (x) and the number of times the die is thrown. Statement (1) gives the number of times the die is thrown and also means that x = 5. The correct answer is either A or D. Statement (2) is also sufficient. To find the probability of getting at least one x, you would find the probability of not getting an x on any of the throws and subtract that probability from 1. To find the probability of not getting an x on any of the throws would require multiplying the same fraction together some number of times. Since 125^1/3= 5, the die was tossed three times in Statement (2) and it had 5 faces. The correct answer is D.


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I assume that the actual question stated on (2) 61/125

1-[(x-1)/x]^(y+1) = 61/125
[(x-1)/x]^(y+1) = 64/125 = (4/5)^3 ===> x=5 ; y=2.
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Bunuel, Your Intervention Please. This is a good question.
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Bunuel : I got the 1st statement case where given is that the P(getting an x in each throw) =1/5 So, P(no X in each throw)=1- 1/5=4/5 and P(Atleast 1x)=1-P(No x)in each throw = 1- 4/5*4/5.

But in 2nd : I am lost at the point where you explained : "Since P(no x's) for n throws also equals to (x-1/x)^n, then ........"
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Bunuel : I got the 1st statement case where given is that the P(getting an x in each throw) =1/5 So, P(no X in each throw)=1- 1/5=4/5 and P(Atleast 1x)=1-P(No x)in each throw = 1- 4/5*4/5.

But in 2nd : I am lost at the point where you explained : "Since P(no x's) for n throws also equals to (x-1/x)^n, then ........"

The probability of getting x is 1/x --> the probability of not getting x is 1 - 1/x = (x-1)/x. The probability of not getting x when throwing n times is therefore \((\frac{x-1}{x})^n\).
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This actually triggers a basic question. The probability of getting a 6 on either throw of a dice, given it's thrown twice should be 1/6 + 5/36 = 11/36 i.e slightly less than 1/3. Why are we assuming the probability of X being shown on either throw to be x=5.


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Would someone clarify if this is correct:

Stmt 1: probabilty of having exactly one x when the dice is thrown twice, (x-1/x * 1/x) *2 = 1/5. Didnt solve, but jsut one variable, so marked sufficient
Stmt 2: probability then that none is x is (x-1/x)^3 = 64/125. Again just one variable, so marked sufficient
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