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IMO A,

1) since the seven retailer is singular, therefore usage of plural their is incorrect. hence option d and e are out.
2) usage of past perfect tense is correct as reporting of problems happened earlier and the retailer's decision of liquidation happened later.


decision of liquidation happened later: this decision is happening in present not in past.

For past perfect two comparing even should happen in past time Line.

In our case one event is in past and one in present. Thats my point Boss.


the key here is retailer said which indicates the presence of past tense.

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IMO A for two reasons.

1. 'retailer' is singular. Hence, 'it' should be used.
2. It is the slump that is recent. If you use 'recently' you are modifying the word 'extended'. Hence, 'recent' is correct.

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Recent and recently – change the meaning of the sentence. Sentence intends to say that the recent extended sales slump– extended sales slump is a recent event; recently extended sales slump– suggests the sales were going on for a while and have been recently extended..

Reporting that indicates that something is being reported.. and extended sales is in “Past tense”..thus Past Perfect should be used... As the usage of Past tense with Present Perfect (has been) or Present (is)..should be incorrect..

Confusion – could lie in seven store retailer and the use of “its”. Read some posts and as stated its representing a company and not a person and for that reason “its” use is valid.
“Its” should be used because ‘its’ is referring to the seven store retailer and not retailers, as its reflected in the later part of the sentence as well…the usage of “its stores”…
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Reporting that
one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel,
the seven-store retailer
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it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent
(B) its many problems has been the recently
(C) its many problems is the recently
(D) their many problems is the recent
(E) their many problems had been the recent

1.Something happened so SSR would do something. [Cause and Event]. Since cause is finished C is out.
Between A and B:
1. Recent-> Adj Vs Recently->Adv.
2. Recent in A modifies (noun) sales slump where as recently modifies (adj) extended.[grammatically correct.]
3. B means that sale slump has been recently extended whereas intended meaning is that recent sale slump has been extended [differ in meaning. To be frank i really had tough time in identifying the logical error.Thanks to Gmac for putting this along with tense error.].
4. Usage of has been(present) with (past) said is wrong in B. A fixes this by putting had been (past) which means cause finished before verb (past) said.
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In option 'B',...recently extended sales slump..",verb 'recently' modifies the adjective 'extended' and 'extended' modifies 'sales slump' right?

What is the difference between recent extended sales slump and recently extended sales slump?

Please help me out on this distinction.

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First of all it all depends on the context and meaning of the sentence.

"Recently extended sales" is of the form Adverb - Adjective - Noun.
"Recent extended sales" is of the form Adjective - Adjective - Noun.

We have to understand the meaning here.

If we go by the Second statement then recent modifies sales slump. Though technically "Recent sales slump" is correct but here in this case "Recently" needs to modify "Extended".

There is really no other distinguishing parameter here other than understanding the meaning.

In GMAT, Adjective - Adjective - Noun is correct and Adverb - Adjective - Noun is also correct. But which to use when depends on the context.

Also, other things to look at in the above sentence.

Present + Future -------------------- is correct.
Past + Conditional ---------------------is correct.


Only above conditions are possible.
Present + Conditional---------------------------- is wrong.
Past + Future ------------------------------------ is wrong.


Use of their vs it/its

Here we have to look at the non - underlined part.

The non underlined part " the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores"
uses it /its, hence we have to use it in the underlined part. This is the basic rule of pronoun agreement.

Pronoun must refer to the same subject. Here subject is "Seven Store Retailer"
Pronoun must agree in number. It is singular and their is plural. both cant refer to same antecedent "Seven Store Retailer".


Hence, correct OA is A.

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Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent

(B) its many problems has been the recently

(C) its many problems is the recently

(D) their many problems is the recent

(E) their many problems had been the recent

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Correct me if i'm wrong.

But the reason why i chose A for this Question :

The singular pronoun "its" correctly refers to singular subject "Retailer". "their" is plural , hence we can eliminate D,E
"Recently " is an adverb and cannot modify noun "slump" . Eliminate B, C.

Now my question is would the following sent be correct :
Reporting that one of its many problems "has" been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

is it necessary to have the "had been" structure in the following sentence.?

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Correct me if i'm wrong.

But the reason why i chose A for this Question :

The singular pronoun "its" correctly refers to singular subject "Retailer". "their" is plural , hence we can eliminate D,E
"Recently " is an adverb and cannot modify noun "slump" . Eliminate B, C.

Now my question is would the following sent be correct :
Reporting that one of its many problems "has" been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

is it necessary to have the "had been" structure in the following sentence.?


The verb "had been" is within a statement ("said") that happened in the past. This implies that the verb "had been" occurred prior to another verb in the past "said". Hence past perfect is mandatory.

For example:

1. I say that I was happy, but I will be sad.... correct
2. I said that I had been happy, but I would be sad.. correct
3. I said that I was happy, but I will be sad... wrong

Whenever a verb is within a statement in past, we need to take the verb one step back, i.e. simple past would become past perfect, future (will) would become conditional tense (would).

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Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent
(B) its many problems has been the recently
(C) its many problems is the recently
(D) their many problems is the recent
(E) their many problems had been the recent


(A) its many problems had been the recent.
Use of Past Perfect Tense HAD BEEN is correctly used. Sales slump happened prior to the announcement (Verb " SAID") ,

Second thing Recent vs Recently- Recently," which modifies the adjective "extended." Here recently means that retailer (the Subject) would knowingly extend a sales slump which is not making any sense. Hence Recent should be used which is modifying Slump. Eliminate B & C
third Thing - Its vs Their. Subject here is singular i.e. Retailer and hence Its is correct. Eliminate D & E
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I incorrectly chose B. Still confused about how A is correct, how am I supposed to assume that "extended sales slump" is a noun phrase? I assumed that "extended" was an adjective modifying "sales slump" (noun), thus "recently" (adverb) was appropriate.


You are absolutely correct - "recent" and "recently" are both correct. Adjective "recent" refers to the noun "slump" and adverb "recently" refers to the adjective "extended", and both make sense in this context. One cannot eliminate an answer on this basis.

The elimination is on the basis of verb tense (has been/ had been/ is) and pronoun number (its / their).

The post below explains the verb tense issue:
reporting-that-one-of-its-many-problems-had-been-the-recent-147856-140.html#p1668074

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Its vs theirs help eliminate D and E.

The meaning of the sentence in tenses: Something started in the past, completed and then led to another event. Two events in the past. IN such case, the first event requires a "had".

When there are two past actions in the statement, the first action that occurred requires the word "had".

Option A
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Hi ,
in the below question , can u please tell me why should it be answer 'A' and not 'B'. The sales problem is a recent one and its effect is obviously still existing which is why the company has started the liquidation sale. So, shouldn't it be 'has been' instead of 'had been' ?
Also had been is used when there are 2 actions in the past. But here the action takes place in the present.

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Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent
(B) its many problems has been the recently
(C) its many problems is the recently
(D) their many problems is the recent
(E) their many problems had been the recent


The part "one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel" is within a statement of the retailer. The statement hapened in the past ("said"). Hence "had been" is past of past and thus past perfect is correct.

In general, note that if an event occurs in the past and is mentioned within a statement that occured in the past, then the event should generally be in past perfect tense because it occured before that statement.

I said that he had gone there before.

(On the other Hand, a future event within a statement in past should be depicted by "would": I said that he would come.)

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Saw the below clear response by ManhattanGMAT Staff. Thought I should repost it. Because the answers here weren't very clear for me on why it should be "had" and not "has". See original thread here: https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... -t763.html

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The perfect tenses, though used infrequently on the GMAT, often induce this type of confusion. Remember, the present perfect is used when an event began at some time in the past and continues to the present moment, while the past perfect indicates a completed past event that happened before a second completed past event. In the cited example, the verb "said" in the non-underlined section of the sentence is a past tense verb. In order to indicate that the sales slump occurred prior to this past announcement, the past perfect tense is necessary.

A second approach would have been to focus on the recent/recently split. It is nonsensical that a retailer would INTENTIONALLY extend a sales slump. However, this is exactly what is suggested by the adverb "recently," which modifies the adjective "extended." The sentence should instead include the adjective "recent," which correctly describes the slump. Thus, answer choices B and C are eliminated. From there, the its/their pronoun split is relatively straightforward. Since the subject of the sentence is the singular "retailer," the singular pronoun "its" is correct.

The credited response is A.

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Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent
(B) its many problems has been the recently
(C) its many problems is the recently
(D) their many problems is the recent
(E) their many problems had been the recent


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Please explain how come 'recent' is correct in modifying an adverb and not 'recently'

Also is 'has' more appropriate here than 'had' since if the problem is ended then liquidation is happening because the problem is presently being a problem not in the past


"recent" is modifying "extended sales slump", that is, a kind of sales slump. Basically, it is modifying "slump" i.e. a noun. So you will use an adjective.

Look at the skeleton of the sentence:

Reporting that ..., the seven-store retailer said ...

The main verb is "said" which is in past tense. Hence, the extended sales slump had been a problem before they reported it. So the use of past perfect is appropriate here. You will use "had".
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Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent
(B) its many problems has been the recently
(C) its many problems is the recently
(D) their many problems is the recent
(E) their many problems had been the recent



(A) Correct its many problems had been the recent
its is the antecedent of the sevenstores retaliers. verb had beeb is correctly establishing the sequence.
(B) Incorrect its many problems has been the recently
Has been present participle wrong verb tense

(C) Incorrect its many problems is the recently
same as B verb tense
(D) Incorrect their many problems is the recent
Same as C and pronoun error
(E) Incorrect their many problems had been the recent
pronoun error
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Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent
(B) its many problems has been the recently
(C) its many problems is the recently
(D) their many problems is the recent
(E) their many problems had been the recent

well yes i would have choosen B because the usage of had been in the first sentence,while that will make sense the 'extended sales slump' is a noun which cannot be recently because the recent cannot modify the 'extended sales slump' so B goes out. same is the reason for C.
Option D and E has subject verb agreemtn issue and are out.


A is the best choice even if had been is used.

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One of the reasons to chose A.

In reporting sentences, we should avoid mixing conditional tense with present tense. The second part of the statement uses "would".

If you want to report something about future in the past tense, you use "would".

If you want to report something about future in the present tense, you use "will".

The teacher believed (past) that the student would (future in past) score high marks.

The teacher believes (present) that the student will (future) score high marks.


many problems had been (Past Tense) the recent extended sales slump , the seven-store retailer said it would (conditional tense)

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Reporting that one of its many problems had been the recent extended sales slump in women's apparel, the seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month liquidation sale in all of its stores.

(A) its many problems had been the recent

(B) its many problems has been the recently

(C) its many problems is the recently

(D) their many problems is the recent

(E) their many problems had been the recent
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IMO A
The split in the sentence is the use of recent and recently .
Recent is an adjective which modifies extended sales whereas recently is an adverb which modifies the whole sentence here (i.e having problems ).
Also we have had / is / has split but logically we should use had to indicate sequence of actions.
Option A removes these two ambiguity hence it is the answer
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