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Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like a warm-blooded mammal’s than a cold-blooded reptile’s.

A. that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like
like here correctly compares "metabolism" of dinosaurs with that of warm blooded mammals

B. that the metabolism of many dinosaur species were more like
Subject-verb agreement is not there. Singular noun "metabolism" takes plural verb "were more like"

C. that the metabolisms of many species of dinosaurs were more like those of
"Plural metabolisms is not correct"

D. there were many species of dinosaurs that had metabolisms more like those of
"those" already refers to relative pronoun, hence use of warm blooded possessive noun is not correct. Also there were doesn't go along

E. there were many dinosaur species that had a metabolism more like that of
contend requires that to tell us what has to be related
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Hi Experts,

If we fix the SV issue in Choice B and write it as - that the metabolisms of many dinosaur species were more like.. -- Is comparing metabolisms to warm-blooded mammal's correct? Or does the possessive pronoun is always considered plural? Thanks much!
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Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like a warm-blooded mammal's than a cold-blooded reptile's.

A. that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like
B. that the metabolism of many dinosaur species were more like
C. that the metabolisms of many species of dinosaurs were more like those of
D. there were many species of dinosaurs that had metabolisms more like those of
E. there were many dinosaur species that had a metabolism more like that of

My major question here is can we or can we not eliminate that. Does anyone have a rule for when "that" can be eliminated?

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A) Correct.
B) "Metabolism" does not agree with the number of the verb "were."
C) "Those of" is redundant because "reptile" has an apostrophe.
D) "Those of" is redundant because "reptile" has an apostrophe.
E) "That of" is redundant because "reptile" has an apostrophe.
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If we fix the SV issue in choice B and write it as - that the metabolisms of many dinosaur species were more like.. -- Is comparing metabolisms to warm-blooded mammal's correct? Or does the possessive pronoun is always considered plural? Thanks much!


Yes, with SV correction, option B would be alright. The word metalbolism is omitted after the possessive "mammal's" / "reptile's". So comparison is between "metabolism" (of dinosaur) and metabolism (of hot-blooded reptiles / cold-blooded reptiles).

The possessive itself is not singular or plural - it is an adjective (possessive adjective) for another noun - that other noun could be singular or plural. You may say Ram's book or Ram's books. Both are correct.
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Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like a warm-blooded mammal's than a cold-blooded reptile's.

A. that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like
B. that the metabolism of many dinosaur species were more like
C. that the metabolisms of many species of dinosaurs were more like those of
D. there were many species of dinosaurs that had metabolisms more like those of
E. there were many dinosaur species that had a metabolism more like that of
















My major question here is can we or can we not eliminate that. Does anyone have a rule for when "that" can be eliminated?

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By going through POE, OA as A can be reached. But option A looks like a faulty comparison. We are comparing species of dinosaur with warm-blooded mammal???s metabolism. Correct comparison should be with the metabolism of species of dinosaur with warm-blooded mammal???s metabolism.
Example- I have more money than Sam(has). Here has is understood. The sentence is correct.
I have more money than Sam's.---> This is incorrect. We cant compare I with Sam's money.
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But option A looks like a faulty comparison. We are comparing species of dinosaur with warm-blooded mammal’s metabolism. Correct comparison should be with the metabolism of species of dinosaur with warm-blooded mammal’s metabolism.
Example- I have more money than Sam(has). Here has is understood. The sentence is correct.
I have more money than Sam's.---> This is incorrect. We cant compare I with Sam's money.

Hi sunny91, let's take the following example:

I have a better car than Sam.

As you've suggested, this is a correct sentence and is equivalent to:

I have a better car than Sam (has).

However, if we have a sentence:

I have a car better than Sam.

Now this is an invalid sentence, because this is now comparing car with Sam. We fix this sentence as:

I have a car better than Sam's.

This is a correct sentence, since the way we need to read this is:

I have a car (that is) better than Sam's (car is).

If you notice the (hidden) clause in the above sentence, the clause is: that is better, where that is referring to car.

This hidden modifier now changes everything! Basically "I" does not even figure in the comparison! It is just the car that is being compared.

Now, let's analyze the following:

Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like a warm-blooded mammal’s than a cold-blooded reptile’s.

This is a correct sentence, since the way we need to read this is:

Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism (that is) more like a warm-blooded mammal’s than a cold-blooded reptile’s (metabolism is).

Again, notice that it is just the metabolism that is being compared.

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sunny91 wrote:
But option A looks like a faulty comparison. We are comparing species of dinosaur with warm-blooded mammal’s metabolism. Correct comparison should be with the metabolism of species of dinosaur with warm-blooded mammal’s metabolism.
Example- I have more money than Sam(has). Here has is understood. The sentence is correct.
I have more money than Sam's.---> This is incorrect. We cant compare I with Sam's money.

Hi sunny91, let's take the following example:

I have a better car than Sam.

As you've suggested, this is a correct sentence and is equivalent to:

I have a better car than Sam (has).

However, if we have a sentence:

I have a car better than Sam.

Now this is an invalid sentence, because this is now comparing car with Sam. We fix this sentence as:

I have a car better than Sam's.

This is a correct sentence, since the way we need to read this is:

I have a car (that is) better than Sam's (car is).

If you notice the (hidden) clause in the above sentence, the clause is: that is better, where that is referring to car.

This hidden modifier now changes everything! Basically "I" does not even figure in the comparison! It is just the car that is being compared.

Now, let's analyze the following:

Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like a warm-blooded mammal’s than a cold-blooded reptile’s.

This is a correct sentence, since the way we need to read this is:

Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism (that is) more like a warm-blooded mammal’s than a cold-blooded reptile’s (metabolism is).

Again, notice that it is just the metabolism that is being compared.

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EducationAisle wrote:
I have a better car than Sam.

As you've suggested, this is a correct sentence and is equivalent to:

I have a better car than Sam (has).


ellipsis in comparison- Shouldn't the omitted words be present in the first part of the sentence in the same form?
In the above sentence, the verb has is not present in the first part of the sentence.


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ellipsis in comparison- Shouldn't the omitted words be present in the first part of the sentence in the same form?

Hi Skywalker18, it would be slightly simplistic to believe that in ellipsis, omitted words should always be present in the first part of the sentence in the same form.

In fact, in certain conditions (especially with the to be forms of the verb), even a tense change is allowed.

Following is a correct sentence from OG:

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than last.

This is equivalent to:

Heating-oil prices are expected to be higher this year than (Heating-oil prices were) last (year) .

Note that the tense changes after than (simple past).

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Hi Experts,

Please resolve my below query:

Per my understanding, in order to use past perfect, the sentence must also contain
EITHER a verb in the simple past tense
OR a time marker that occurred in the past but later than the past perfect action.

In the answer choice A, is the usage of "HAD" correct?
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"Had' is not a past perfect auxiliary verb here. It is the simple past of 'have'
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In option A , is usage of "had" correct? But we use had to compare two time zones. Please post explanation on had use.
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Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like a warm-blooded mammal's than a cold-blooded reptile's.

A. that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like
B. that the metabolism of many dinosaur species were more like
C. that the metabolisms of many species of dinosaurs were more like those of
D. there were many species of dinosaurs that had metabolisms more like those of
E. there were many dinosaur species that had a metabolism more like that of


My major question here is can we or can we not eliminate that. Does anyone have a rule for when "that" can be eliminated?

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SO earlier I chose 'C' because of following reasons: 1) No idiom error, 2) metabolisms is clearly compared to metabolisms. However, after further analysis , I realized that in C, the "those of" refers to "a warm blooded mammal's" or " a cold blooded reptile's".We know that "those" is plural relative pronoun, so it can't refer to them. Hence C is incorrect, D and E are unidiomatic, B has subject verb count issue. Therefore by POE, A is the answer.
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Some scientists contend that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like a warm-blooded mammal's than a cold-blooded reptile's.

(A) that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like
(B) that the metabolism of many dinosaur species were more like
(C) that the metabolisms of many species of dinosaurs were more like those of
(D) there were many species of dinosaurs that had metabolisms more like those of
(E) there were many dinosaur species that had a metabolism more like that of


My major question here is can we or can we not eliminate that. Does anyone have a rule for when "that" can be eliminated?

thanks

More X than Y where X and Y both need to be parallel.
The idiom is "contend that" so only A,B, or C are left.
Then the idiom is More X than Y
where X and Y need to be parallel.
only A has it.
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Mihiran - Read your explanation and I can tell you that you have wrong understanding of this sentence for sure. here is a helping hand from my side.

Spot on for "contend that" - used for claim, not a subjunctive verb. in other form it is used as "contending for X".
Also "there were" expression is wrong in most cases but C, D and E can be eliminated on the basis of that of/ those of. Already mammal's is used which is pointing to metabolism. No need to use this expression.

(A) that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like ---- Correct --- correct use of "contend that" ---- metabolism is compared correctly with that of mammal/reptile
(B) that the metabolism of many dinosaur species were more like ---- use of were. SV pair mistake.
(C) that the metabolisms of many species of dinosaurs were more like those of
(D) there were many species of dinosaurs that had metabolisms more like those of
(E) there were many dinosaur species that had a metabolism more like that of
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Mihiran - Read your explanation and I can tell you that you have wrong understanding of this sentence for sure. here is a helping hand from my side.

Spot on for "contend that" - used for claim, not a subjunctive verb. in other form it is used as "contending for X".
Also "there were" expression is wrong in most cases but C, D and E can be eliminated on the basis of that of/ those of. Already mammal's is used which is pointing to metabolism. No need to use this expression.

(A) that many species of dinosaur had a metabolism more like ---- Correct --- correct use of "contend that" ---- metabolism is compared correctly with that of mammal/reptile
(B) that the metabolism of many dinosaur species were more like ---- use of were. SV pair mistake.
(C) that the metabolisms of many species of dinosaurs were more like those of
(D) there were many species of dinosaurs that had metabolisms more like those of
(E) there were many dinosaur species that had a metabolism more like that of



Thanks Aragon, I have made note of the other form of contend idiom and have understood that D,C, and E are wrong because "those of" is trying to represent metabolism, this action leads the meaning to metabolism of the metabolism.Please feel free to correct again if I missed something.
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