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(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
The pronoun it needs to refer to the same thing. It refers to both starfish and arm in this situation.

(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
Correct - there are no pronoun issues. Compensating is parallel with growing.

(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
Sometimes by the animal is awkward

(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
Pronoun issues with they and they

(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,
Adverbial modifier issues here with , growing - eliminate
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating

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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, 'have' a strong

Does the prepositional phrase have anything to do with the 'have' here... Starfish have a strong... May mean that strfish is being treated plural here

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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating

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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, 'have' a strong

Does the prepositional phrase have anything to do with the 'have' here... Starfish have a strong... May mean that strfish is being treated plural here

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Hello Panoj!

You are correct in thinking that "Starfish" is a plural subject here! Whenever we talk about types of animals, we consider them plural - even if the word sounds singular. For animals, some "types" of animals sound plural, while others don't:

a dog / dogs
a slug / slugs
a bear / bears

a deer / deer
a starfish / starfish
a sheep / sheep
a fish / fish

Obviously, there are many, many more examples - but you get the idea! For this sentence, it's referring to starfish as a type of animal, not an individual starfish, so we need to treat it like a plural subject.

I hope that clears things up!
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, 'have' a strong

Does the prepositional phrase have anything to do with the 'have' here... Starfish have a strong... May mean that strfish is being treated plural here
No. The prepositional phrase doesn't affect the choice of verb in this case.

The plural of starfish is starfish itself. Even starfishes is fine. :)

Given that we know that starfish can be plural, it is okay if the sentence uses have with starfish. The sentence could have gone with the singular starfish, but then we'd need an a before starfish.

A starfish has...
Starfish have...

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The tagging may include SV number agreement, and conjunction, which are also important things tested here. Starfish is treated as plural here as can be seen from the plural verb have in the non-underlined part

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and--- [color=#0000FF]it seems as if the plural starfish is pronouned by the first, singular it; in addition in an active voice sentence, the use of by is improper
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B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and ------- seems ok with the SV problem avoided altogether. Here the it should logically refer to the arm. correct choice

C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating, -----use of by is improper in an active voice setting. It should be with the animal rather than by the animal; overcompensating, growing is improper co-ordination. There should be an and in between

D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,’---use of they means that the starfish themselves are replaced; over compensating should be followed by and
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E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating, --- in a passive voice we need to use by rather than with ; in addition overcompensating should be followed by and



I eliminated C,D and E for meaning; it just does not make sense to say they lose one arm. One starfish might lose one arm.
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,


This question is pure test of SVA

Here we have two noun : Starfish and arms
Pronoun : Which is referring is They and It

If we will look closer , Starfish : obviously plural
Arms: Plural

(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and

It—> referring to arm ( one arm singular)
Second it: Referring to Starfish???? Not sure. So we can’t go with this opt. And it can’t refer to a plural noun. So Wrong.

(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
It—> referring to arm ( one arm singular)
Sounds weird but grammatically correct.


(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,

They: Correct referring to Starfish but how arm ( singular) will refer to they?? WRONG

(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,

Same issue as C so wrong


(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,

This is correct but look at the meaning is changing. they lose one arm it is quickly replaced.
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

Attacking point:
1. if ACTIVE, then ACTIVE
OR if pASSIVE then pASSIVE

2. position of adverb frequency "sometimes"
if you find attacking this question on the error "with or by" is rather ambivalance, then attack adverb "sometimes".
*An adverb is a word or phrase that modifies a verb, adjective, another adverb, determiner, noun phrase, clause, preposition, or sentence

if you read the entire sentence, you can gauge the meaning of...

1. ..."sometimes by the animal" overcompensating and growing an extra one or two...
-> "sometimes by the animal" ... and "sometimes by something else" ...

2. ...with the animal "sometimes overcompensating" and "growing" an extra one or two...
sometimes is place next to the verb overcompensating and growing, clearly, it modifies the verb.

-adverbs of frequency-
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Adver ... quency.htm


(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
one arm is lost (passive) ...it quickly replaces it(active) -OUT-
sometimes by the animal (so sometimes by the animal, sometimes by other animals) -OUT-

(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
one arm is lost (passive) ... it is replaced (passive) -OK-
the animal "sometimes overcompensating" and "sometimes growing an extra" -OK-
1. adverb frequency is place next to overcompensating, clearly modifies overcompensating
2. parallelism growing and overcompensating

(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
they lose one arm (active) ... they replace it(active)-OK-
sometimes by the animal (so sometimes by the animal, sometimes by other animals)-OUT-


(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
they lose one arm (active)...they are quickly replaced(passive) -OUT-
with the animal sometimes overcompensating, (Leave this if you find it is "too hot" for you to handle, afterall, you have found major flaw of this question)
"...the animal sometimes overcompensating, growing an extra.."
(it seems growing is modifying the preceding verb"overcompensate" and the subject is the doer. However, overcompensating is not the correct tense. It should not be in simple present continous, rather, simple present tense "compensate".

when to use simple present tense:
To express habits, general truths, repeated actions or unchanging situations, emotions and wishes: ...
1. water boils at 100degree.
2. In the 1983, the sun rise from east to west
3. I eat a bowl of cereal every morning since the day I learn how to eat solid food (my habit)
4. Starfish grow extra arm. (Generally, this is true, not unless some mutations change the habit of starfish.)

To give instructions or directions: ...
To express fixed arrangements, present or future: ...
To express future time, after some conjunctions: after, when, before, as soon as, until:

when to use simple continous tense :
For actions happening now. When we want to talk about an action that is happening now or at this time (and is unfinished), we use the present continuous tense. We also use this tense when we want to make clear that the action is temporary. Sorry, she can't come to the phone right now; she is having a bath.
1. The starfish was attacked by a crab when it was growing an extra arm.
if tense is used wrongly, it is a MAJOR error. So OUT!

(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,
they lose one arm(active), it is quickly replaced (passive, you can check with adding "BY" at the end of the sentence "it is quickly replaced "by"...)
-out-
sometimes with the animal overcompensating, growing
if tense is used wrongly, it is a MAJOR error. So OUT!

Ans: B
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Nice explanation. Was lost in this question.
Now understood.
Thanks.

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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

Attacking point:
1. if ACTIVE, then ACTIVE
OR if pASSIVE then pASSIVE

2. position of adverb frequency "sometimes"
if you find attacking this question on the error "with or by" is rather ambivalance, then attack adverb "sometimes".
*An adverb is a word or phrase that modifies a verb, adjective, another adverb, determiner, noun phrase, clause, preposition, or sentence

if you read the entire sentence, you can gauge the meaning of...

1. ..."sometimes by the animal" overcompensating and growing an extra one or two...
-> "sometimes by the animal" ... and "sometimes by something else" ...

2. ...with the animal "sometimes overcompensating" and "growing" an extra one or two...
sometimes is place next to the verb overcompensating and growing, clearly, it modifies the verb.

-adverbs of frequency-
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Adver ... quency.htm


(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
one arm is lost (passive) ...it quickly replaces it(active) -OUT-
sometimes by the animal (so sometimes by the animal, sometimes by other animals) -OUT-

(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
one arm is lost (passive) ... it is replaced (passive) -OK-
the animal "sometimes overcompensating" and "sometimes growing an extra" -OK-
1. adverb frequency is place next to overcompensating, clearly modifies overcompensating
2. parallelism growing and overcompensating

(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
they lose one arm (active) ... they replace it(active)-OK-
sometimes by the animal (so sometimes by the animal, sometimes by other animals)-OUT-


(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
they lose one arm (active)...they are quickly replaced(passive) -OUT-
with the animal sometimes overcompensating, (Leave this if you find it is "too hot" for you to handle, afterall, you have found major flaw of this question)
"...the animal sometimes overcompensating, growing an extra.."
(it seems growing is modifying the preceding verb"overcompensate" and the subject is the doer. However, overcompensating is not the correct tense. It should not be in simple present continous, rather, simple present tense "compensate".

when to use simple present tense:
To express habits, general truths, repeated actions or unchanging situations, emotions and wishes: ...
1. water boils at 100degree.
2. In the 1983, the sun rise from east to west
3. I eat a bowl of cereal every morning since the day I learn how to eat solid food (my habit)
4. Starfish grow extra arm. (Generally, this is true, not unless some mutations change the habit of starfish.)

To give instructions or directions: ...
To express fixed arrangements, present or future: ...
To express future time, after some conjunctions: after, when, before, as soon as, until:

when to use simple continous tense :
For actions happening now. When we want to talk about an action that is happening now or at this time (and is unfinished), we use the present continuous tense. We also use this tense when we want to make clear that the action is temporary. Sorry, she can't come to the phone right now; she is having a bath.
1. The starfish was attacked by a crab when it was growing an extra arm.
if tense is used wrongly, it is a MAJOR error. So OUT!

(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,
they lose one arm(active), it is quickly replaced (passive, you can check with adding "BY" at the end of the sentence "it is quickly replaced "by"...)
-out-
sometimes with the animal overcompensating, growing
if tense is used wrongly, it is a MAJOR error. So OUT!

Ans: B

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The tagging may include SV number agreement, and conjunction, which are also important things tested here. Starfish is treated as plural here as can be seen from the plural verb have in the non-underlined part

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and--- [color=#0000FF]it seems as if the plural starfish is pronouned by the first, singular it; in addition in an active voice sentence, the use of by is improper
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B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and ------- seems ok with the SV problem avoided altogether. Here the it should logically refer to the arm. correct choice

C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating, -----use of by is improper in an active voice setting. It should be with the animal rather than by the animal; overcompensating, growing is improper co-ordination. There should be an and in between

D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,’---use of they means that the starfish themselves are replaced; over compensating should be followed by and

E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating, --- in a passive voice we need to use by rather than with ; in addition overcompensating should be followed by and


B has the same problem too according to your explanation for D saying "in a passive voice we need to use by rather than with "
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

(A) one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and -
- Plural antecedent - Here first it refers to the starfish whereas in the starting, we have verb have so starfish is plural and first it is singular therefore plural antecedent error
- Adverb positioning error - when we use sometimes by the animal overcompensating - then we are saying sometimes animals do it sometimes somebody else do it.
(B) one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and - seems good
(C) they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating, - Second error of A repeated
(D) they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating, - Here, what does second they refer to? - it should refer to one arm as one arm is being replaced but it should be singular, not "they". This is also not parallel
(E) they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating, - Same second mistake as A and first if then clause is not parallel
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Hi E-GMAT

I have a doubt with regards to Choice B - the list marked by and in the modifier 'with the animal sometimes......two' - doesn't seem parallel. 'With the animal...' is a prepositional phrase whereas the phrase followed by and is a noun phrase ( growing an extra one or two). Is this a right ?
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I have a doubt with regards to Choice B - the list marked by and in the modifier 'with the animal sometimes......two' - doesn't seem parallel. 'With the animal...' is a prepositional phrase whereas the phrase followed by and is a noun phrase ( growing an extra one or two). Is this a right ?
Hi ankitprad,

Those are participles. The structure is with + noun + participle (the noun is the animal).

... with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.
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The soldiers follow the orders of their seniors, sometimes by the soldier ferociously, crossing the expectations of the seniors.—this sentence may not pass the test of modification; but what will be acceptable is --- The soldiers follow the orders of their seniors, sometimes ferociously crossing the expectations of the seniors. You can see the impact of the unnecessary intrusion of the preposition by. Similarly in our text, overcompensating, and growing are modifications of strong regenerative ability and not growing. Growing is another parallel modification along overcompensating. Hence, when we say the animal overcompensating, it becomes a present participle modifier, while when we say by the animal overcompensating, we in fact say by the animal’s overcompensating, and the term becomes a gerund.

We may perhaps use past participle to describe this situation; -sometimes overcompensated by the animal- but we must also ensure that the other things are parallel too.

I am unable to comment upon Ron’s view and context. But as far as I see, overcompensating and growing are two independent and parallel features of re-generation and hence we do need to use the and


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One thing you have to know is you cannot check the OA and say "as far as I see, overcompensating and growing are two independent actions". When we are tested in the exam, we do not know if they are two independent or dependent actions just with common sense. It makes more sense to say "growing an extra one or two" modifies "overcompensating" because it is describing how the animal overcompensates ( it grows an extra one or two). I strongly doubt that you can solve this SC in 1 and a half minute and get the right answer. I also think your approach/explanation is misleading. You cannot check the correct answer and take everything for granted. What is your GMAT SCORE? Every time I see your post I automatically ignore it because your explanations are terrible.
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Hi Experts,

Please help me to explain that how C is incorrect over B.

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In first part of the sentence we have an active voice, stating starfish have an ability , and by choosing option b as the answer the second part becomes passive

This is confusing me, can someone pleaee help

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In first part of the sentence we have an active voice, stating starfish have an ability , and by choosing option b as the answer the second part becomes passive

This is confusing me, can someone pleaee help

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Here we have two complete thoughts (independent clauses) connected by a ", and". There is no problem with connecting an active independent clause and a passive independent clause with a comma+conjunction. For example:

    "Deer are common in New Jersey, and they are often hunted during the fall and winter." - The first part is active, and the second part is passive.

Choice (B) does something similar, and this is not a problem at all!

For more on this question, check out this post.
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macjas wrote:
Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

A one arm is lost it quickly replaces it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating and
B one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and
C they lose one arm they quickly replace it, sometimes by the animal overcompensating,
D they lose one arm they are quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating,
E they lose one arm it is quickly replaced, sometimes with the animal overcompensating,


I do not like this problem though it is in the latest og book. overcompensating and growing can not be separate actions. so "and" is wrong to connect them. the separateness is tested a lot on gmat sc and is central staple gmat play on us . strange, why gmat make mistake on this point.

or my english grammar is not good enough.

dont worry, there is only one question like this in the latest og book.


Thanks Mike, saw you wrote an article about "with" + noun + participle : https://magoosh.com/gmat/verbal/sentenc ... orrection/
Dear thangvietnam,
I'm happy to respond. :-) Yes, this is SC #114, in the OG13 and the OG2015.

It's absolutely true that the OA, (B), is not ideal. The "and" link between the two participles, "overcompensating" and "growing," is certainly questionable. Technically, are those two actions identical? Does losing the arm set off a biological chain of events in the starfish that we would called "overcompensating," and that one result among many of this "overcompensating" is the "growing" of two arms? I certainly don't know enough about the biology of starfish to answer this question either way, but it's at least conceivable that the actions "overcompensating" and "growing" are not coextensively identical and therefore merit an "and" conjunction. Admittedly, this is somewhat ambiguous.

Similarly, the "with" + [noun] + [participle] structure---actually, two participles in parallel---is also questionable. Certainly, this structure, with different emphases, is considered incorrect on some questions. Again, this is iffy.

So, (B) has nothing that is clearly, unambiguously wrong, but it has some "shades of gray" problems. What makes it the right answer is that each other answer has something definitively wrong about it. Choices (A) & (C) & (D) all make trainwreck pronoun errors, so they are not even possibly correct. In (E), the big problem is subtle. In a condition statement, an if-then statement, the "if" part is called the premise, and the "then" part is called the conclusion. The grammar supports the logic of the conditional statement when both premise and conclusion are in the same voice---either both active or both passive. (E) makes the mistake of having an active premise and a passive conclusion, and this sounds undefinably awkward. Since (E) can be right, it only leaves (A) with all its imperfections.

Remember, this is #114 in the OG. There is a rough correlation between question number and difficulty, and since this is a higher question, it is one of the more difficult questions in the OG. This is one characteristic of the more difficult SC questions: the OA is far from ideal, but it's better than the other four answers, each of which is wrong for a clear and discernible reason.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)


Thanks Mike!! Saw your article on "with + [noun] + [participle] on GMAT Sentence Correction" https://magoosh.com/gmat/verbal/sentenc ... orrection/ Hope others find it helpful.
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Starfish, with anywhere from five to eight arms, have a strong regenerative ability, and if one arm is lost it is quickly replaced, with the animal sometimes overcompensating and growing an extra one or two.

Does "overcompensating" mean the same as "growing an extra one or two"?
Why is it not considered redundant to join the two with AND?
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Can someone please give a detailed analysis of the answer choices in this question.

I'm unable to understand which choice stands good.
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Can someone please give a detailed analysis of the answer choices in this question.

I'm unable to understand which choice stands good.

Have you read this painfully long-winded explanation?
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