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The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true. However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?

(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation.

(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat.

(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring.

(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness.

(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable

Originally posted by Swagatalakshmi on 07 Dec 2006, 20:27.
Last edited by hazelnut on 23 Oct 2017, 08:22, edited 2 times in total.
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The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true. However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So only if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit will its rings be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?

A. The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation. - out of scope to some extent as we are not given any information on precipitation. INCORRECT
B. Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat. - So what?? Anyways we are supposed to talk about brazilian ash tree only. INCORRECT
C. Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring.- again I would ask the same question - so what?? We are not concerned about for how much time certain temperature must remain rather we are concerned about the relationship between the temperature and the loss of rings. INCORRECT
D. The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness. - again out of scope. INCORRECT
E. The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable - An assumption is something which makes an argument complete. If the assumption were absent, the argument will fall apart. Here the conclusion is that only if temperature never exceeds 95 degrees, the age of tree will be predictable. What if the temperature also increases and still we are able to predict the age. The conclusion will not hold true in that case. Hence CORRECT

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The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true. However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?
(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation.
(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat.
(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring.
(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness.
(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable

I am somewhere among A, C and E

In E: Probably it does not matter whether we know the the number of rings lost when temperature exceeds 95 degrees. If we knew, say, teh tree loses 1 ring when the temp exceeds 95 degrees. we do not know how many days was the temperature over 95 degrees during the tree's lifetime (since we do not know tree's ag eto begin with)

A: I don't think we are really concerned about how the rings grow. The concern is how the rings can decrease

By POE, C seems to be the choice though it is a little strong because of the usage of only.

The information in the paragraph says: So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age. Usage of never seems to indicate that if the temperature is over 95 degrees on even 1 day, then the tree should at least lose 1 ring.
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07 Jan 2007, 09:34
Swagatalakshmi wrote:
The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true. However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?
(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation.
(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat.
(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring.
(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness.
(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable

The key concept in the conclusion is reliable measure given the temperature doesnÂ´t exceed 95 F. Which is the only answer choice that addresses it? A. E is the 2nd best, although it is out of scope bc it deals w/ an scenario not contemplated in the conclusion (T > 95 F).
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Swagatalakshmi,

Can we have the OR (official reasoning)?

for all who are interested: here is OR for OA:

(E) CORRECT. The conclusion is that the rings will be a reliable measure only if the temperature never exceeds 95 degrees. This is true only if there is no way to predict how many rings would be lost when the temperature does exceed 95 degrees. (If it were possible to predict this, one might be able to assess the age of a tree using its rings even if the temperature had exceeded 95 degrees.)

however i also think this question is strange... i also can live with answer choice C since the author says "never exceeds 95 degrees", i.e. there is an assumption that an exceeding at one day is enough...
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IMO E,

The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95
degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable- If the count of the rings lost due to high temp was know, then it would be easy to predict the age of the tree.

Clearly E.
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Conclusion: So only if the temperature in the Brazilian ash’s environment never exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit will its rings be a reliable measure of the tree’s age.

C. Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring. => Negate, does not whether the counting rings is a reliable measure of the tree's age
E. The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable.=> Negate, Attack the counting rings method is a reliable measure of the tree's age
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Nice explanation from..
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/mgm ... t3915.html

Conclusion: “ONLY if the temp in the Brazilian ash’s environment NEVER exceeds 95 degree F will its rings be a RELIABLE measure of the tree’s age.”

If we truly depend on a certain assumption to reach this conclusion, the conclusion should fall apart when we remove or negate the assumption.

Negate (A): The growth of new rings IS a function of precipitation levels.
Result: We could still conclude that the temp needs to stay below 95 degrees in order to use the rings as a measure. Thus, (A) is not an assumption upon which we really rely.

As you note, (A) is an appealing answer: It sure would be nice to know that there are not even more factors affecting the growth of rings. But there is a big difference between a nice-to-know assumption and an assumption-on-which-the-argument-depends. The GMAT always wants the latter!

Negate (E): The number of rings lost when temp exceeds 95 degrees IS predictable.
Result: We can no longer assert that the ONLY way to use the rings to reliably determine age is if the temps stay below 95. You are correct that we would need to know the complete temperature records and number of rings lost as a function of temp, but it would at least be possible to use the rings to determine age. The “only” in the conclusion is really the key word.
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The central point of the passage is to determine the age of the Brazilian ash trees.

Taking Option E - The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable

If we negate the above statement, we can rephrase it as follows:

The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is predictable.

Now if in a year, the temperature has exceeded 95 degrees, then we would know the number of rings the tree would lose before hand. If we would like to determine the age of the tree, then all we need to do is add the number of rings lost to the existing rings.

I hope my explanation makes sense. Would love to hear a different version which would help understand the problem in depth.
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Can someone explain to me how C is also wrong?

Last line of statement "So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age."

C directly combats the usage of the word "never" in this statement. So the argument assumes that if the environment ever exceeds 95 degrees then it will lose a ring. Answer choice C is essentially this assumption.

The statement also says before this point ""often peel away" not "always", so by it's own admission the final sentence is harsher than the evidence given.
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"C" gives an additional information. It states another fact. It is not a necessary assumption."Only one day of temperature" also is rather extreme in its tone.
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The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true.
However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?
(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat...................we are bothered about this particular tree. It does not matter if others lose rings due to some reason.
(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring........duration of heat exposure need not be assumed.
(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness.....................thickness is additional information and need not be assumed.

While we can easily eliminate options B, C and D since they are out of scope.
Most of the candidates above(including me) got stuck between A and E.

(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation..............TRAP choice. This seems to indicate that during the scenario of more than 95 degrees Fahrenheit temperature tree only loses rings and does not grow them. This seems to divert us towards reverse causality assumption but there is no reason to assume anything like that regarding growth of new rings.

(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable
This may not look as attractive as option A but is the correct answer and can be veified through negation test.
If the number of rings is predictable then we can easily decide the tree age even if in high temperatures and this collapses the argument.
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I'm going with F, none of the above.

I have thought about this question for about a half hour now, and F is my final answer.

The conclusion states that the tree's age can be reliably determined by the rings. An approiate assumption would be:
The "Brazilian ash" grows at a rate that is consistent with other trees, whose age can be determined by the number of rings in it's trunk".

Bringing precipitation into the equation is out of scope.

IMO, this is a garbage question.

:D It is a good question

(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation. unrelated
(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat. does not matter
(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring. Even if it takes 1 or more days we are still going to lose the count . not an assumption
(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness. We do not care about thickness
(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable. Correct. If it is predictable , then we can count the number of the days with more than 95 degree and count the number of rings lost.
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The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true. However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?
(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation. -We are interested in the peeling of rings and not in the growth of the rings. Out of scope.
(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat. -We are not worried about the other trees.
(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring. -If this were the case, then we would be able to identify the age of tree even when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees, since as per the statement "a" ring (only one ring) is lost on a day having temperature greater than 95 degrees. Besides, this is just a fact set stating that the requirement for reduction in tree's rings. Irrelevant or, at best, weakener.
(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness. -Out of scope
(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable -Correct. If we can't predict this, then it means that on a day with temperature greater than 95 degree we can't determine the number of rings lost, thus we need a day with temperature less than 95 degree to find out the exact number of rings in the tree.
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Swagatalakshmi wrote:
The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true. However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?

(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation.

(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat.

(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring.

(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness.

(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable

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The author concludes that one will only be able to determine the age of a Brazilian ash by counting its rings if the temperature in the tree's environment never exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit. The author bases this conclusion on the fact that the tree loses rings when the temperature exceeds that level. However, if the number of rings lost by a Brazilian ash at high temperatures could be predicted, then it might be possible to determine the age of a tree even if the temperature exceeds 95 degrees. The author assumes that it is not possible to predict the number of rings lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit.

(A) The argument says nothing about precipitation. This answer choice is out of scope since it would require a number of other assumptions to make it relevant to the argument's conclusion.

(B) Whether other trees share this feature is irrelevant; the argument focuses only on the Brazilian ash.

(C) This choice says that one day of temperatures above 95 degrees = one ring lost. If this is true, then we might actually be able to predict the number of rings lost (if we also know on how many days the temperature exceeded 95 degrees). This hurts the author’s argument; therefore, it cannot be an assumption on which the author depends.

(D) The thickness of the rings is irrelevant.

(E) CORRECT. The conclusion is that the rings will be a reliable measure only if the temperature never exceeds 95 degrees. This is true only if there is no way to predict how many rings would be lost when the temperature does exceed 95 degrees. (If it were possible to predict this, one might be able to assess the age of a tree using its rings even if the temperature had exceeded 95 degrees.)
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The question misses "Only" in front of if. The question in Manhattan states that the age can be predicted "ONLY if" the temperature doesn't exceed 95 degrees. The assumption being that if temperature exceeds 95 degrees we cannot predict the age.
E would be the correct answer if the question used "only".
In the current form[without "only"] the question discusses about a scenario when the temperature DOESN'T exceed 95 degrees so the predictability of age if temperature exceeds 95 degrees has no bearing on the argument.
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Swagatalakshmi wrote:
The popular notion that a tree's age can be determined by counting the number of internal rings in its trunk is generally true. However, to help regulate the internal temperature of the tree, the outermost layers of wood of the Brazilian ash often peel away when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit, leaving the tree with fewer rings than it would otherwise have. So if the temperature in the Brazilian ash's environment never exceeded 95 degrees Fahrenheit, its rings would be a reliable measure of the tree's age.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument above depends?

(A) The growth of new rings in a tree is not a function of levels of precipitation. - Even if it is a function of level of precipitation, this option does not help in the measure of the rings

(B) Only the Brazilian ash loses rings because of excessive heat. - Only Brazilian ash loosing rings doesnt matter

(C) Only one day of temperatures above 95 degrees Fahrenheit is needed to cause the Brazilian ash to lose a ring. - It is one day or more, number of days is not in the scope of the answer

(D) The internal rings of all trees are of uniform thickness. - Thickness is not mentioned any where in the question. out of scope

(E) The number of rings that will be lost when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit is not predictable
- If the number of rings lost would have been predictable when the temperature exceeds 95 degrees Fahrenheit , then Brazilian ash's rings could have been measured correctly. The conclusion clearly mention number of rings is not reliable, that means conclusion assumes that the no. of rings lost is not predictable CORRECT ANSWER
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Dear Moderators,

Kindly add ONLY in the stem .Its crucial.

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Dear Moderators,

Kindly add ONLY in the stem .Its crucial.

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25 Dec 2019, 05:15
I am curious
How over 60% of people could choose (E), even the question omits the word "only" ,which is compulsary word to make (E) as a right answer. Without "only" (E) can not be a right answer.
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