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# The Simplastic language has only 2 unique values and 3

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The Simplastic language has only 2 unique values and 3 unique consonants. Every noun in Simplastic has the structure CVCVC, where C stands for a consonant and V stands for a vowel. How many different nouns are possible in Simplastic?

A. 9
B. 12
C. 36
D. 72
E. 108
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The answer is E because order does not matter making the combination 3*2*3*2*3?
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06 Dec 2010, 04:44
108 is the answer if we assume that repetition is allowed,but how do we know whether repn is allowed or not if question doesnt mention anything
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The Simplastic language has only 2 unique values and 3 unique consonants. Every noun in Simplastic has the structure CVCVC, where C stands for a consonant and V stands for a vowel. How many different nouns are possible in Simplastic?

a.9
b.12
c.36
d.72
e.108

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The answer is E because order does not matter making the combination 3*2*3*2*3?

The nouns have fixed structure C-V-C-V-C. Now, each C can take 3 values (let's say X, Y or Z) and each V can take 2 values (let's say A or E), so there will be 3*2*3*2*3=108 nouns possible.

It's basically the same if it were how many different 5-digit numbers are possible with the following structure odd-even-odd-even-odd, where odd numbers can be only 1, 3 or 5 and even numbers only 2 and 4.

108 is the answer if we assume that repetition is allowed, but how do we know whether repn is allowed or not if question doesnt mention anything

It's natural to think that a noun can have for example two same vowels (X-A-Y-A-Z) or 3 same consonants (X-A-X-A-X), so if this was not the case then this would be explicitly mentioned.
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06 Dec 2010, 06:59
bunuel, what concept is this testing? I seem to not get the 3*2*3*2*3 aspect of your solution.
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06 Dec 2010, 07:11
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bunuel, what concept is this testing? I seem to not get the 3*2*3*2*3 aspect of your solution.

Consider simpler case, 2-letter code Consonant-Vowel, where we can use only B, C or D for a consonant (3 options) and only A or E for a vowel (2 options). How many codes are possible?

BA;
BE;
CA;
CE;
DA;
DE.

So, total of 6 codes, 3*2=6, are possible. This is called Principle of Multiplication: If one event can occur in $$m$$ ways and a second can occur independently of the first in $$n$$ ways, then the two events can occur in $$mn$$ ways.

Now, the above is just expanded to CVCVC structure in the original question.

Hope it's clear.
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Bunuel wrote:
mmcooley33 wrote:
The Simplastic language has only 2 unique values and 3 unique consonants. Every noun in Simplastic has the structure CVCVC, where C stands for a consonant and V stands for a vowel. How many different nouns are possible in Simplastic?

a.9
b.12
c.36
d.72
e.108

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The answer is E because order does not matter making the combination 3*2*3*2*3?

The nouns have fixed structure C-V-C-V-C. Now, each C can take 3 values (let's say X, Y or Z) and each V can take 2 values (let's say A or E), so there will be 3*2*3*2*3=108 nouns possible.

It's basically the same if it were how many different 5-digit numbers are possible with the following structure odd-even-odd-even-odd, where odd numbers can be only 1, 3 or 5 and even numbers only 2 and 4.

108 is the answer if we assume that repetition is allowed, but how do we know whether repn is allowed or not if question doesnt mention anything

It's natural to think that a noun can have for example two same vowels (X-A-Y-A-Z) or 3 same consonants (X-A-X-A-X), so if this was not the case then this would be explicitly mentioned.

Great questions, at one point when this situation will arise, wouldn't we divide it by -

3*2*3*2*3/3!X2!
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My approach was as follows: 2 values and 3 constants can be counted as 2! * 3! = 12. I treated it as a counting problem with repeated values, why is this wrong?
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Answer is E. It just says any combination of CVCVC will work and so, calculate 3*2*3*2*3=108.

Doesn't mean 3*2*2*1*1, where you should subtract 1 each time. The letters can be re-used.
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26 May 2015, 19:59
Hi, do we need to account for the restriction that impose by the structure as C-V-C-V-C? as one V need to follow a C and we cant do C-C-C-V-V?
I am confused here..

And on top of it, when is it good to use the formula of combination and when we just use the method applied in this question ( like a number lock), thought believe that its the same concept?

Thank you..
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Hi, do we need to account for the restriction that impose by the structure as C-V-C-V-C? as one V need to follow a C and we cant do C-C-C-V-V?
I am confused here..

And on top of it, when is it good to use the formula of combination and when we just use the method applied in this question ( like a number lock), thought believe that its the same concept?

Thank you..

We are accounting for it by calculating only the number of ways of writing CVCVC. So the other arrangements of 3Cs and 2Vs are ignored.
You can write the first C in 3 ways.
You can write the next letter V in 2 ways.
The next letter is again C for which we again have 3 options (note that repetition of letters is not a problem)
The next letter V can be chosen in 2 ways.
The last letter C can be chosen in 3 ways again.
This gives us 3*2*3*2*3 = 108 ways.

You use the combination formula only when you have to select a few things out of many things. Here, no selection is required. Say, if there were 10 consonants and we had to make the nouns using 3 DISTINCT consonants, then we would have SELECTED 3 of the 10 (in 10C3 ways) and then arranged them in 3 places in 3! ways.
The method used in this question is the basic counting principle. It is used when you have distinct places for things. I suggest you to check out these posts:
http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2011/10 ... inatorics/
http://www.veritasprep.com/blog/2011/11 ... binations/
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15 Jul 2015, 06:21
Hi Bunuel ,

for any question on combination in GMAT . if no condition is stated then can we say that ... repetition is allowed .

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Vowels - 2, Consonants - 3.

c-v-c-v-c = 3*2*3*2*3 = 108. Ans (E).
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