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Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas from the 1990s more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

A. more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

B. more than they steal other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

C. more than they do other models because they can dismantle the cars and sell the parts that are worth more than the car

D. more than other models because they can chop the cars up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

E. more than other models because they can dismantle them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

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A. Step 1: Identifying What Is Tested

o Looking for differences in the options, we can see that some of the options use the verb “dismantle” while others use the verb “chop”.

o Also, the initial part of the answer options following the construction “more than…” varies across the options. Finally, some options use the construction “sell the parts” and some use “sell them for parts”.

B. Step 2: Understanding the Sentence

o The sentence is comparing the propensity of the thieves to steal Hondas and Toyotas. The correct construction should therefore compare the action of stealing Hondas and Toyotas with the action of stealing other models. The sentence should compare verbs (and use the verbs on both sides of the comparison). The correct construction would be “more than they steal other models” or “more than they do other models”.

o In the construction “sell them for parts”, the pronoun “them” is ambiguous. It is not clear whether the pronoun refers to the “Hondas and Toyotas”or to “other models”.

o The verb “chop” would mean to “cut something into pieces using a blunt instrument”. Therefore, the verb “dismantle”, which simply means to “take something apart” would be more appropriate in this context.

C. Step 3: Eliminating Options

o Choices (A) and (D) can be eliminated for any and all of the reasons discussed. The comparison is incomplete, the pronoun is ambiguous, and the verb “chop” is inappropriate.

o Choice (B) corrects the comparison error. However, the pronoun usage is still ambiguous.

o Similarly, choice (E) corrects only the pronoun error. The comparison construction is incorrect as it compares a verb to a noun.

Choice C is the correct answer.

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Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas from the 1990s more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

A. more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

B. more than they steal other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

C. more than they do other models because they can dismantle the cars and sell the parts that are worth more than the car

D. more than other models because they can chop the cars up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

E. more than other models because they can dismantle them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car


A, D and E are incorrect comparison as it sounds like other models steal more than the thieves

B and C remain. B is incorrect as they dont sell "them" (cars) , they have dismantled the car so they are selling the parts.

C is the correct option
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Proper comparision should be done..

theives steal hondas... shud be compared with act of stealing,,,,

+ 1 for C...

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Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas from the 1990s more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

A. more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

B. more than they steal other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

C. more than they do other models because they can dismantle the cars and sell the parts that are worth more than the car.

D. more than other models because they can chop the cars up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

E. more than other models because they can dismantle them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

My first reasoning is use of word chop....i think use of this word does not logically convey the exact meaning of the sentence..so i will use Dismantle any day....also in option A,D and E...comparison more than other models seems incorrect...the act of stealing has to be compared rather than the models...

So, only B and C remain.....Thus "C" is the clear winner..
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I Will go with C. It is the correct option.
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Hi Experts,

I agree C is correct choice, but need some clarification regaring choice A, D and E marked as incorrect comparisons

more than [they steal] other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car - is n't the redunduncy removed?

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Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas from the 1990s more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

A. more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car
ambiguous
B. more than they steal other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car
ambiguous
C. more than they do other models because they can dismantle the cars and sell the parts that are worth more than the car

D. more than other models because they can chop the cars up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car
ambiguous
E. more than other models because they can dismantle them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car
ambiguous
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I have a confusion for option C:

more than they (This they referring thieves) do other models because they (but I am confused about this "they" whether it is referring thieves or models) can dismantle the cars and sell the parts that are worth more than the car?
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Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas from the 1990s more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car.

A. more than other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

B. more than they steal other models because they can chop them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

C. more than they do other models because they can dismantle the cars and sell the parts that are worth more than the car

D. more than other models because they can chop the cars up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car

E. more than other models because they can dismantle them up and sell them for parts that are worth more than the car



It is a good question. This is how I solved this question,

Intended meaning: Thieves steal 1990s cars more than they steal other model cars. The reason for this preference is that the parts of these 1990s cars are worth more than the worth of the whole car

Error Analysis:

1. Comparision Error: There are two meaning that this sentence can convey.
A. More cars are stolen by thieves than cars stolen by other models. In this case, Thieves are compared with Other models, which is ridiculous
B. Thieves steal two models of cars, one is 1990s models and other models, out of which 1990s cars are stolen more.
As you can see that the sentence B is logical and correct, we need this meaning in the correct choice

2. Wrong vocab: You can not Chop a car, it is not an Onion ;) . So We dismantle a car.
3. Pronoun Error: there is a proper referent for 'them'. Both Thieves and Models can be the referent. From the meaning analysis, we can see that THEM = Models

Answer choice Analysis:

A. Wrong for the reasons mentioned above
B. Though this choice corrects the Comparision error, it still uses CHOP instead of DISMANTLE. Besides that, the pronouns used in this sentence are so messed up. Half of the pronouns refer to THIEVES and Half of the pronouns refer to Models.
C. Correct- Comparision error corrected. Pronoun consistency maintained throughout the sentence. Perfect use of Vocab, DISMANTLE.
D. This choice posses all the error mentioned in the error analysis.
E. Though it corrects the Vocab error, it still retains the pronoun and comparison error.



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Can somebody explain why "they do(steal)" is needed after than? I thought "~than other cars" is just fine because cars themselves cannot steal sth, so it is clear enough.

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Can somebody explain why "they do(steal)" is needed after than? I thought "~than other cars" is just fine because cars themselves cannot steal sth, so it is clear enough.

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Hey megakee9 ,

You need to understand what are we comparing.

The rule is if we have X more than Y , then X and Y must be ||.

Now, if as per you Y is other cars, our X would be Hondas and Toyotas.

But as per the meaning of the sentence, we are comparing the action of stealing rather than the cars themselves. Hence, we would need "do" after more than to show our X is also an action.

Does that make sense?
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Can somebody explain why "they do(steal)" is needed after than? I thought "~than other cars" is just fine because cars themselves cannot steal sth, so it is clear enough.

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Hey megakee9 ,

You need to understand what are we comparing.

The rule is if we have X more than Y , then X and Y must be ||.

Now, if as per you Y is other cars, our X would be Hondas and Toyotas.

But as per the meaning of the sentence, we are comparing the action of stealing rather than the cars themselves. Hence, we would need "do" after more than to show our X is also an action.

Does that make sense?


Thank you abhimahna
I think I kind of understood. However, I am still confused.

I learned about unnecessary wordy cases of comparison

Example (from Manhattan SC Chp8):
Vishal eats more carrots than donuts => clear enough
Vishal eats more carrots than he does donuts => wordy (because donuts must be the object (donut itself cannot eat sth)

Why is this question different from above case?
Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas ~ more than other models
Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas ~ more than they do other models

I thought this is the same case because Hondas and Toyotas cannot steal sth.

Can you clarify more on this? I think I am messed up between these two cases.
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Thank you abhimahna
I think I kind of understood. However, I am still confused.

I learned about unnecessary wordy cases of comparison

Example (from Manhattan SC Chp8):
Vishal eats more carrots than donuts => clear enough
Vishal eats more carrots than he does donuts => wordy (because donuts must be the object (donut itself cannot eat sth)

Why is this question different from above case?
Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas ~ more than other models
Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas ~ more than they do other models

I thought this is the same case because Hondas and Toyotas cannot steal sth.

Can you clarify more on this? I think I am messed up between these two cases.
Thank you :)


Hey megakee9 ,

The construction you have used is of the form more X than Y, where X and Y must be ||

Since in your example X is carrots, therefore Y is donuts. ( X and Y are two nouns)

Whereas in the question above, we have X more than Y where X and Y are two actions.

Does that make sense?
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abhimahna wrote:
megakee9 wrote:
Thank you abhimahna
I think I kind of understood. However, I am still confused.

I learned about unnecessary wordy cases of comparison

Example (from Manhattan SC Chp8):
Vishal eats more carrots than donuts => clear enough
Vishal eats more carrots than he does donuts => wordy (because donuts must be the object (donut itself cannot eat sth)

Why is this question different from above case?
Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas ~ more than other models
Thieves steal Hondas and Toyotas ~ more than they do other models

I thought this is the same case because Hondas and Toyotas cannot steal sth.

Can you clarify more on this? I think I am messed up between these two cases.
Thank you :)


Hey megakee9 ,

The construction you have used is of the form more X than Y, where X and Y must be ||

Since in your example X is carrots, therefore Y is donuts. ( X and Y are two nouns)

Whereas in the question above, we have X more than Y where X and Y are two actions.

Does that make sense?


Oh, thanks abhimahna
The location of "more" is different.
That's why this question is comparing two actions whereas my example is comparing two nouns. I got it.
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