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# Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her

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22 Jul 2016, 01:32
I understand why 'moving' is wrong here structurally. However, can anyone explain using the grammar rules why does the 'moving' refer to 'write' and not 'best seller' since it is a verb-ing modifier without a comma which modifies the preceding noun,which happens to be 'Best seller' here. sayantanc2k ?
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22 Jul 2016, 12:55
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I understand why 'moving' is wrong here structurally. However, can anyone explain using the grammar rules why does the 'moving' refer to 'write' and not 'best seller' since it is a verb-ing modifier without a comma which modifies the preceding noun,which happens to be 'Best seller' here. sayantanc2k ?

I do not see any problem with the use of "moving" here (present participle without comma) - it correctly modifies the noun it touches ("best seller"). The problem with D and E is the wrong usage of "and".
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22 Oct 2016, 06:54
sayantanc2k wrote:
goforgmat wrote:
WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

A)that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal.

C)that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal.

D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal.

E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal.

When we have a parallel structure as in the above,
a and b,c and d(say) shoudn't the parallel lists be separated by a semicolon for the sake of clarity?

Semicolons are used to separate items of a list, if the list is nested within an item of another outer list, whose items are separated by commas.

Following is an example from Manhattan SC guide:

Wrong: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire, Wow, Owls, and Blood, Sweat & Tears.
Right: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire; Wow, Owls; and Blood, Sweat & Tears.

Another point to observe:

The back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

Hi,

can you please explain the difference between "that clause" and "moving" here?
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22 Oct 2016, 14:42
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sayantanc2k wrote:

Semicolons are used to separate items of a list, if the list is nested within an item of another outer list, whose items are separated by commas.

Following is an example from Manhattan SC guide:

Wrong: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire, Wow, Owls, and Blood, Sweat & Tears.
Right: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire; Wow, Owls; and Blood, Sweat & Tears.

Another point to observe:

The back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

Hi,

can you please explain the difference between "that clause" and "moving" here?

There is none. A present participle (verb-ing) modifier without a comma may act in the same way as a that-clause does.

I saw a bird flying above the tree.
I saw a bird that was flying above the tree.

Both the above sentences have the same meaning and are grammatically correct. In the same way "...best seller that moves... " and " ...best seller moving...." are both correct.
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23 Oct 2016, 00:01
sayantanc2k wrote:

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

This is a completely new concept to me. If you can help with any OG question or text book reference, it will be of great help to re-inforce my understandings.
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23 Oct 2016, 03:57
gocoder wrote:
sayantanc2k wrote:

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

This is a completely new concept to me. If you can help with any OG question or text book reference, it will be of great help to re-inforce my understandings.

This is a concept from English grammar - not a special tip or technique for GMAT. I would suggest that you check any good English grammar book (or even the internet, if you are confident about the authenticity of the source).

e.g.,
I must select between red, blue and green... correct.
I must select among those 3 colors...... correct.
Between A, B and C, B is the best.........correct
Among the boys standing there, the middle one is the best......correct
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23 Oct 2016, 08:51
sayantanc2k wrote:
goforgmat wrote:
WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

A)that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal.

C)that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal.

D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal.

E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal.

When we have a parallel structure as in the above,
a and b,c and d(say) shoudn't the parallel lists be separated by a semicolon for the sake of clarity?

Semicolons are used to separate items of a list, if the list is nested within an item of another outer list, whose items are separated by commas.

Following is an example from Manhattan SC guide:

Wrong: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire, Wow, Owls, and Blood, Sweat & Tears.
Right: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire; Wow, Owls; and Blood, Sweat & Tears.

Another point to observe:

The back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

Hi sayantanc2k,

Can you please elaborate a bit more on : It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

In this case: isn't comic, tragic, personal and satirical - themes or styles used in writing? So typically they are genres?
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23 Oct 2016, 11:03
WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

A)that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal.

C)that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal.

D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal.

E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal.

Answer A, because it is concise and maintains parallelism
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25 Oct 2016, 13:21
warriorguy wrote:
sayantanc2k wrote:
goforgmat wrote:

When we have a parallel structure as in the above,
a and b,c and d(say) shoudn't the parallel lists be separated by a semicolon for the sake of clarity?

Semicolons are used to separate items of a list, if the list is nested within an item of another outer list, whose items are separated by commas.

Following is an example from Manhattan SC guide:

Wrong: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire, Wow, Owls, and Blood, Sweat & Tears.
Right: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire; Wow, Owls; and Blood, Sweat & Tears.

Another point to observe:

The back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

Hi sayantanc2k,

Can you please elaborate a bit more on : It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

In this case: isn't comic, tragic, personal and satirical - themes or styles used in writing? So typically they are genres?

I must select between black, red and green... correct
I must select among these 3 colors... correct

The first example uses "between" because distinct colors are mentioned.
The second example uses "among" because all the colors are described within one group (3 colors - the distinct choices are no longer mentioned).

Instead of distinct colors, they could be distinct groups or distinct genres as well.

When registering for the annual music competition, you must choose a genre between pop, rock and jazz.
When registering for the annual music competition, you must choose among these 3 genres.
In the second example the three genres together form the group - the distinct choices that you may make are no longer mentioned (though each distinct choice in the first example is a group by itself).
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02 Jan 2017, 08:37
Hello Friends, my 2 cents...
sayantanc2k is absolutely correct that we can use between for not only 2 items which can be generic, but also 3 or more items which are distinct like proper nouns and items with article the used in front of it.

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/educat ... rsus-among
http://english.stackexchange.com/questi ... two-things
I have always found these links very helpful. Hopefully these are helpful to you guys as well.

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02 Jan 2017, 23:32
For those who are non-native English speakers, this is the type of question that can be tricky. This type of contrast is found quite a bit in both fiction and non-fiction writing.
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22 Aug 2017, 12:46
WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

A)that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal.

C)that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal.

D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal.

E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal.

Hello daagh, could you please throw some light on the critical nuances of this problem and similar problems in general. The differences among the options are very minute and I am unable to comprehend the explanation given by other experts.

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07 Oct 2017, 23:24
sayantanc2k wrote:
goforgmat wrote:
WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

A)that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal.

C)that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal.

D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal.

E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal.

The back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

GMATNinja, GMATNinjaTwo, RonPurewal, egmat

The official Veritas Prep solution says

(A) reads: to write a best seller that moves between the comic and tragic, (and between) the satirical and the intimately personal. This type of repeated structure, in which the second part seems incomplete because it does not repeat all the words from the original structure, is uncommon but correct.

What i dont understand is that

Whether the back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

OR the movement takes place
BETWEEN the comic and tragic, (and between) the satirical and the intimately personal.

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09 Dec 2017, 13:47
Not sure why we have this ridiculous debate on there. Can anyone provide an official example of *between* is used on 3 items? If not then, it doesn't matter if it is acceptable in English grammar because we are exclusively dealing with GMAT grammar.

There's no point beating on this structure as it is not worth learning, at least in my opinion. On the contrary, it is probably better to remember that between is strictly used on two things and among for 3 things +, since this is actually a rule that GMAT abides and one that you may get tested.
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11 Dec 2017, 06:53
sayantanc2k wrote:
goforgmat wrote:
WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

A)that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal.

C)that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal.

D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal.

E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal.

The back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

The official Veritas Prep solution says

(A) reads: to write a best seller that moves between the comic and tragic, (and between) the satirical and the intimately personal. This type of repeated structure, in which the second part seems incomplete because it does not repeat all the words from the original structure, is uncommon but correct.

What i dont understand is that

Whether the back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

OR the movement takes place
BETWEEN the comic and tragic, (and between) the satirical and the intimately personal.

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05 Feb 2018, 02:03
Hii e-gmat, I am confused between A and D. IN A it is not clear what is the second list but in D the second list is very clear because of use of and.
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WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

(A) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

(B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal

(C) that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal

(D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal

(E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal

Veritas Prep OFFICIAL EXPLANATION

This correct answer contains an unusual sentence construction, but it is the only one that is error free: (A) reads: to write a best seller that moves between the comic and tragic, (and between) the satirical and the intimately personal. This type of repeated structure, in which the second part seems incomplete because it does not repeat all the words from the original structure, is uncommon but correct. All of the other answer choices contain fatal flaws: in (B), the “with the satirical and the intimately personal” is neither parallel nor logical in relation to the rest of the sentence. In (C) the present perfect “has moved” is incorrect and illogical – the tense must be the universal “present tense” to apply to something permanent. (D) and (E) are both incorrect because the participle “moving” makes it unclear what is being modified – it seems to indicate the sentence is about her ability to write while moving! The relative clause with “that” is required to show that the clause that follows is referencing “the best seller” and not the earlier action in the sentence. Answer is (A).
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Could you please throw some light on how to solve this question. I think the split should not be between that and moving because moving is (-ing form) without comma and correctly modifies the nearest noun best seller.

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sayantanc2k wrote:
goforgmat wrote:
WaterFlowsUp wrote:
Though perhaps less visceral and emotionally satisfying than her previous novels, “The Namesake” attests to Jhumpa Lahiri’s ability to write a best seller that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal

A)that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, the satirical and the intimately personal.

B) that moves back and forth between the comic and tragic, with the satirical and the intimately personal.

C)that has moved back and forth between the comic and tragic, and between the satirical and intimately personal.

D) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic, and the satirical and the intimately personal.

E) moving back and forth between the comic and tragic and the satirical and the intimately personal.

When we have a parallel structure as in the above,
a and b,c and d(say) shoudn't the parallel lists be separated by a semicolon for the sake of clarity?

Semicolons are used to separate items of a list, if the list is nested within an item of another outer list, whose items are separated by commas.

Following is an example from Manhattan SC guide:

Wrong: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire, Wow, Owls, and Blood, Sweat & Tears.
Right: I listen to Earth, Wind & Fire; Wow, Owls; and Blood, Sweat & Tears.

Another point to observe:

The back and forth movement takes place BETWEEN 3 items:
1. the comic and tragic,
2. the satirical
3. the intimately personal

It is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items, when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole.

GMATNinja

I am very confused between the usage of among vs between. According to the Manhattan Verbal book the following sentence is incorrect since it uses between for more than 2 items:

The negotiations between the company, the union, and the city government were initially contentious but ultimately amicable.

Though grammar also says that it is correct to use "between" rather than "among" even when there are more than 2 items when these items are distinct, and not referred as a group as a whole. In the above-stated example, the company, the union and the city government are all distinct. So hence the usage of between must be correct?
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