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Isn't quality of aids provided a concern? Coz if the wuality of aid provided by For-profit ones are higherr that explains why they get higher federal support.

Also in explanation of (C) What does the proportion refer to if not the number of people aided

The point you mentioned may be one reason that the for-profit Organsiations get a higher grant. However that reason does not have bearing on the assumption stated in option B. Even if the quality of aids is higher, the assumption would still be required to arrive at the conclusion.

One effective way to check the validity of an assumption is negating it and verifying whether the reasoning breaks down:

Negate B: For-profit Social Organizations do not engage in fraudulent practices to obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid in order to help the people they serve.

The argument then breaks down since for-profit organisations get the grant though the people they serve are not financially weak. The word "fraudulant" establishes this.
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Hello everyone,

I am slightly confused about the explanation why option C is wrong. The total number of financially disadvantaged citizen is some constant value lets say 10 million. Now is we say the following -
The number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at for-profit Social Organizations is greater than the corresponding number for non-profit Social Organizations. Does'nt it mean a bigger proportion in favor of for-profit Social Organizations
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Hi, I chose C. My thinking is as follows:
The argument is "For-profit Social Organizations cater to a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens than do non-profit Social Organizations."
The premise is"For-profit Social Organizations serve far fewer citizens than either public or private non-profit ones do."
Proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens=citizens benefited from financial aid/total number of citizens served. As For-profit organisations serve far fewer citizens, the proportion would be greater than that of non-profit ones once the No. of beneficiaries is greater. That is why I chose C.

Moreover, for choice B, I do not think it is necessarily right. Even though for-profit organisations are not engaged in fraudulent practices, the proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens can still be low if the citizens they serve are much more financially disadvantaged than those of non-profit ones. This means fewer people need more resources as they are poorer.

I need your opinion on this. Thanks.
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I am slightly confused about the explanation why option C is wrong. The total number of financially disadvantaged citizen is some constant value lets say 10 million. Now is we say the following -
The number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at for-profit Social Organizations is greater than the corresponding number for non-profit Social Organizations. Does'nt it mean a bigger proportion in favor of for-profit Social Organizations

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Hi, I chose C. My thinking is as follows:
The argument is "For-profit Social Organizations cater to a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens than do non-profit Social Organizations."
The premise is"For-profit Social Organizations serve far fewer citizens than either public or private non-profit ones do."
Proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens=citizens benefited from financial aid/total number of citizens served. As For-profit organisations serve far fewer citizens, the proportion would be greater than that of non-profit ones once the No. of beneficiaries is greater. That is why I chose C.

Moreover, for choice B, I do not think it is necessarily right. Even though for-profit organisations are not engaged in fraudulent practices, the proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens can still be low if the citizens they serve are much more financially disadvantaged than those of non-profit ones. This means fewer people need more resources as they are poorer.

I need your opinion on this. Thanks.

Your logic is strong, but please note that option C is NOT a mandatory requirement. Even if the the number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at for-profit Social Organizations is NOT greater, the proportion at for-profit organization could still be greater since the denominator for for-profit organization (total number of patients served) is lower. C is a strengthening statement, not an assumption.

I have tried to explain above why B is the correct option.
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I am slightly confused about the explanation why option C is wrong. The total number of financially disadvantaged citizen is some constant value lets say 10 million. Now is we say the following -
The number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at for-profit Social Organizations is greater than the corresponding number for non-profit Social Organizations. Does'nt it mean a bigger proportion in favor of for-profit Social Organizations

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Hi, I chose C. My thinking is as follows:
The argument is "For-profit Social Organizations cater to a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens than do non-profit Social Organizations."
The premise is"For-profit Social Organizations serve far fewer citizens than either public or private non-profit ones do."
Proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens=citizens benefited from financial aid/total number of citizens served. As For-profit organisations serve far fewer citizens, the proportion would be greater than that of non-profit ones once the No. of beneficiaries is greater. That is why I chose C.

Moreover, for choice B, I do not think it is necessarily right. Even though for-profit organisations are not engaged in fraudulent practices, the proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens can still be low if the citizens they serve are much more financially disadvantaged than those of non-profit ones. This means fewer people need more resources as they are poorer.

I need your opinion on this. Thanks.

Your logic is strong, but please note that option C is NOT a mandatory requirement. Even if the the number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at for-profit Social Organizations is NOT greater, the proportion at for-profit organization could still be greater since the denominator for for-profit organization (total number of patients served) is lower. C is a strengthening statement, not an assumption.

I have tried to explain above why B is the correct option.
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Hi , the conclusion states that for-profit Social Organizations cater to a greater proportion of financially disadvantaged citizens than do non-profit Social Organizations. It implies that if the number of financially disadvantaged citizens are 100 , then the number catered by for-profit Social Organizations is greater than the number catered by the non-profit Social Organizations. It appears that you have misinterpreted the greater proportion . You mean to say that of the people catered by for-profit Social Organizations , the proportion of financially disadvantaged is greater. This is not what is mentioned in the stimulus .
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Number of financially disadvantaged citizens =100

Number of citizens catered by for -profit = 69 (FEWER)

Number of financially disadvantaged catered by for-profit = 60


Number of citizens catered by non-profit = 200


Number of financially disadvantaged catered by non-profit= 40(100-60)


For profit has a gretaer proportion (60/100) . I donot understand how the total citizns catered by for -profit (69)coes into picture .
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Isn't quality of aids provided a concern? Coz if the wuality of aid provided by For-profit ones are higherr that explains why they get higher federal support.

Also in explanation of (C) What does the proportion refer to if not the number of people aided

The point you mentioned may be one reason that the for-profit Organsiations get a higher grant. However that reason does not have bearing on the assumption stated in option B. Even if the quality of aids is higher, the assumption would still be required to arrive at the conclusion.

One effective way to check the validity of an assumption is negating it and verifying whether the reasoning breaks down:

Negate B: For-profit Social Organizations do not engage in fraudulent practices to obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid in order to help the people they serve.

The argument then breaks down since for-profit organisations get the grant though the people they serve are not financially weak. The word "fraudulant" establishes this.

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Could you please elaborate on why option C is irrelevant to the conclusion? If the number of citizens recieving financial aid from for profit organization are more than those recieving financial aid from non profit. Wouldn't it lead to a higher proportion of people recieving financial aid from for-profit??
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Isn't quality of aids provided a concern? Coz if the wuality of aid provided by For-profit ones are higherr that explains why they get higher federal support.

Also in explanation of (C) What does the proportion refer to if not the number of people aided

The point you mentioned may be one reason that the for-profit Organsiations get a higher grant. However that reason does not have bearing on the assumption stated in option B. Even if the quality of aids is higher, the assumption would still be required to arrive at the conclusion.

One effective way to check the validity of an assumption is negating it and verifying whether the reasoning breaks down:

Negate B: For-profit Social Organizations do not engage in fraudulent practices to obtain unneeded federal and state financial aid in order to help the people they serve.

The argument then breaks down since for-profit organisations get the grant though the people they serve are not financially weak. The word "fraudulant" establishes this.

sayantanc2k

Could you please elaborate on why option C is irrelevant to the conclusion? If the number of citizens recieving financial aid from for profit organization are more than those recieving financial aid from non profit. Wouldn't it lead to a higher proportion of people recieving financial aid from for-profit??

Two things come in the picture, stating why Option C is not the answer:
    1. The argument clearly states that For-profit Social Organizations serve far fewer citizens than either public or private non-profit ones do.
    2. Even if we negate Option C: The number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at for-profit Social Organizations is NOT greater than the number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at non-profit Social Organizations.

Meaning: The number of citizens that get benefited from federal and state financial aid at for-profit Social Organizations can be less or equal.
Any option choice which can swing in either direction is NOT a correct answer.
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