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Dear former admissions officers at GMATCLUB...

If you were on leave of absence from work to attempt a degree but failed to obtain the degree, then obviously

1. It would be left out of the educational history section of an application
2. It would be left out of the resume/CV,
3. But could you consider it as part of the years of work experience that counts toward the application?

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Hello

Any time after your graduation that you were not involved in full time work (Job, Entrepreneurship) will Not be counted as work experience but as gap years.
You can negate the impact if you give compelling reasons as to why you took the break.

All the best.

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Dear former admissions officers at GMATCLUB...

If you were on leave of absence from work to attempt a degree but failed to obtain the degree, then obviously

1. It would be left out of the educational history section of an application
2. It would be left out of the resume/CV,
3. But could you consider it as part of the years of work experience that counts toward the application?

Thanks.

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Any time after your graduation that you were not involved in full time work (Job, Entrepreneurship) will Not be counted as work experience but as gap years.
You can negate the impact if you give compelling reasons as to why you took the break.

All the best.

Varun

questions wrote:
Dear former admissions officers at GMATCLUB...

If you were on leave of absence from work to attempt a degree but failed to obtain the degree, then obviously

1. It would be left out of the educational history section of an application
2. It would be left out of the resume/CV,
3. But could you consider it as part of the years of work experience that counts toward the application?

Thanks.



Thank you for your answer.

To clarify, I work at a place where if your performance is good enough, you will be allowed to take some time off to go do a graduate degree that is relevant to the work done that the company. This is called being 'seconded to school' instead of quitting, going to school, and then coming back to where you work. So technically you are still employed. Therefore the same rules apply to those who are employed -- you can't take a second job during the studying, you can't make money on the side because company rules prohibit it, and any misbehavior will get you disciplined or even fired.

So since my performance records were pretty good thus far, and policies were becoming more restrictive as to getting a break to study, I hurriedly applied and got into a top program. But since I was not sincere enough about the studies, and there were pretty significant family problems (deaths, near deaths in the family) during that time, among other stressors, I constantly failed to do well and in the end did not meet the standards to get the degree.

However, even then, I was able to return to my company and get half of that period recognized into my number of years worked, which then becomes a basis to judge when this person is to be given a promotion. So even in the case you fail to get a degree during the absence period, you still get 50% recognized as 'work experience' since what you are allowed to study will inevitably be highly relevant to the job.

In this specific, particular case, does the rule still hold that unless you were making money or doing work while studying, utilizing this special opportunity counts as a gap between different periods of work experience?

Also, as a general rule, if you leave this fact out of resumes, it becomes a blatant lie by omission? And if it does, can you then just say "period worked at yyy company includes 1 year of leave of absence" instead of "did a year of grad school in X school for degree in Y subject but didn't get the degree"?

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You seem to have a valid story. In this case it is best to mention the same in your CV as a bullet point (Study break/sabbatical or something similar) and then explain this in detail in one of your essays.

All the best.

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oneMBAcoach wrote:
Hello

Any time after your graduation that you were not involved in full time work (Job, Entrepreneurship) will Not be counted as work experience but as gap years.
You can negate the impact if you give compelling reasons as to why you took the break.

All the best.

Varun

questions wrote:
Dear former admissions officers at GMATCLUB...

If you were on leave of absence from work to attempt a degree but failed to obtain the degree, then obviously

1. It would be left out of the educational history section of an application
2. It would be left out of the resume/CV,
3. But could you consider it as part of the years of work experience that counts toward the application?

Thanks.



Thank you for your answer.

To clarify, I work at a place where if your performance is good enough, you will be allowed to take some time off to go do a graduate degree that is relevant to the work done that the company. This is called being 'seconded to school' instead of quitting, going to school, and then coming back to where you work. So technically you are still employed. Therefore the same rules apply to those who are employed -- you can't take a second job during the studying, you can't make money on the side because company rules prohibit it, and any misbehavior will get you disciplined or even fired.

So since my performance records were pretty good thus far, and policies were becoming more restrictive as to getting a break to study, I hurriedly applied and got into a top program. But since I was not sincere enough about the studies, and there were pretty significant family problems (deaths, near deaths in the family) during that time, among other stressors, I constantly failed to do well and in the end did not meet the standards to get the degree.

However, even then, I was able to return to my company and get half of that period recognized into my number of years worked, which then becomes a basis to judge when this person is to be given a promotion. So even in the case you fail to get a degree during the absence period, you still get 50% recognized as 'work experience' since what you are allowed to study will inevitably be highly relevant to the job.

In this specific, particular case, does the rule still hold that unless you were making money or doing work while studying, utilizing this special opportunity counts as a gap between different periods of work experience?

Also, as a general rule, if you leave this fact out of resumes, it becomes a blatant lie by omission? And if it does, can you then just say "period worked at yyy company includes 1 year of leave of absence" instead of "did a year of grad school in X school for degree in Y subject but didn't get the degree"?

Thank you!

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If I don't mention it on the CV nor explain it on my application, could that become grounds for rescinding offers or even being sued? Also, would schools ever ask for grades and/or name of school attended, in any scenario?
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Such an Omission can be considered a Lie.
Universities will surely ask you for your past grades along with transcripts.
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oneMBAcoach wrote:
Hello

Any time after your graduation that you were not involved in full time work (Job, Entrepreneurship) will Not be counted as work experience but as gap years.
You can negate the impact if you give compelling reasons as to why you took the break.

All the best.

Varun

questions wrote:
Dear former admissions officers at GMATCLUB...

If you were on leave of absence from work to attempt a degree but failed to obtain the degree, then obviously

1. It would be left out of the educational history section of an application
2. It would be left out of the resume/CV,
3. But could you consider it as part of the years of work experience that counts toward the application?

Thanks.



Thank you for your answer.

To clarify, I work at a place where if your performance is good enough, you will be allowed to take some time off to go do a graduate degree that is relevant to the work done that the company. This is called being 'seconded to school' instead of quitting, going to school, and then coming back to where you work. So technically you are still employed. Therefore the same rules apply to those who are employed -- you can't take a second job during the studying, you can't make money on the side because company rules prohibit it, and any misbehavior will get you disciplined or even fired.

So since my performance records were pretty good thus far, and policies were becoming more restrictive as to getting a break to study, I hurriedly applied and got into a top program. But since I was not sincere enough about the studies, and there were pretty significant family problems (deaths, near deaths in the family) during that time, among other stressors, I constantly failed to do well and in the end did not meet the standards to get the degree.

However, even then, I was able to return to my company and get half of that period recognized into my number of years worked, which then becomes a basis to judge when this person is to be given a promotion. So even in the case you fail to get a degree during the absence period, you still get 50% recognized as 'work experience' since what you are allowed to study will inevitably be highly relevant to the job.

In this specific, particular case, does the rule still hold that unless you were making money or doing work while studying, utilizing this special opportunity counts as a gap between different periods of work experience?

Also, as a general rule, if you leave this fact out of resumes, it becomes a blatant lie by omission? And if it does, can you then just say "period worked at yyy company includes 1 year of leave of absence" instead of "did a year of grad school in X school for degree in Y subject but didn't get the degree"?

Thank you!


Hi questions,

It is best to state the facts just as they are. The good part is that you have a genuine reason/story to support the gap. Please address the same in your Optional Essay.

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questions wrote:
Dear former admissions officers at GMATCLUB...

If you were on leave of absence from work to attempt a degree but failed to obtain the degree, then obviously

1. It would be left out of the educational history section of an application
2. It would be left out of the resume/CV,
3. But could you consider it as part of the years of work experience that counts toward the application?

Thanks.


If you took a year long break to study and even 6 months is counted in as work experience, then you still have 6 months of a gap period. You would definitely have to explain this.

However, I'd tread carefully on the reasons I share with the adcom for dropping out. Owning up that you were not sincere about studies will sound immature and irresponsible and will likely plant a doubt that will you repeat this at b-schools. Instead you should build a story around the other genuine reasons: 1. serious health issues of family members; 2. trouble juggling time between the needs of family, work and education and giving last priority to education because of unavoidable circumstances of the other two factors. This approach will then create a clear path to justify a full-time MBA where you can immerse yourself completely into the MBA experience without being bogged down by other distractions.

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