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Hey JeffYin, thanks for the explanation. I was wondering if you had a chance to look further into this topic. The question that threw me off was from Q11 in this problem set: https://gmatclub.com/forum/new-tough-an ... 25956.html

If x>0, x^2=2^64 and x^x=2y then what is the value of y?

We know that x=2^32
x^x = 2^32^2^32
Now this could be re-written as 2^(2^5)^(2^5).
But why can't this simplify to 2^2^5^2^2^5? And if so, how do we know if we're going from right -> left or left -> right?

Bunuel, your help would also be appreciated :)

Thanks!

The math rule is clear and there is no ambiguity in it.

\((a^m)^n=a^{mn}\)

\(a^m^n=a^{(m^n)}\) and not \((a^m)^n\) (if exponentiation is indicated by stacked symbols, the rule is to work from the top down).
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If x>0, x^2=2^64 and x^x=2y then what is the value of y?

I'd recommend pretending there are parentheses around each of the 'x'es in the equation x^x = 2y. That eliminates some of the confusion with how to simplify this. You're allowed to do that, by the way! For instance, if you knew that x = 2+z, then it'd be perfectly valid to write "x^x = (2+z)^(2+z)" with parentheses. You wouldn't have to write it as "2+z^2+z", which is confusing at best.

So, with parentheses, it looks like this:

(2^32)^(2^32) = 2y

In other words,

2^(32*(2^32)) = 2y (because of the rule Bunuel cited)

Look inside of the parentheses first. What's 32*(2^32)? (Ignore the extra 2^ for now - you can add it back in later.) Well, 32 is 2^5, so you've really got (2^5)(2^32) = 2^37.

2^(2^37) = 2y

Here comes the moment of truth - we have to divide the whole thing by 2 in order to find the value of y. That's actually a little tricky. The best approach is to very carefully write out the actual math, and apply the rules even if they seem counterintuitive.

(2^(2^37))/2 = y

2^((2^37)-1) = y

Your answer should look something like that.

Note: I just checked the original problem, and found that it read "2^y" rather than "2y". That's why my answer doesn't agree with the original answer in Bunuel's link!
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Hey ccooley. Thanks for the awesome explanation! I've also corrected my post above. Thanks!
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If x>0, x^2=2^64 and x^x=2y then what is the value of y?

I'd recommend pretending there are parentheses around each of the 'x'es in the equation x^x = 2y. That eliminates some of the confusion with how to simplify this. You're allowed to do that, by the way! For instance, if you knew that x = 2+z, then it'd be perfectly valid to write "x^x = (2+z)^(2+z)" with parentheses. You wouldn't have to write it as "2+z^2+z", which is confusing at best.

So, with parentheses, it looks like this:

(2^32)^(2^32) = 2y

In other words,

2^(32*(2^32)) = 2y (because of the rule Bunuel cited)

Look inside of the parentheses first. What's 32*(2^32)? (Ignore the extra 2^ for now - you can add it back in later.) Well, 32 is 2^5, so you've really got (2^5)(2^32) = 2^37.

2^(2^37) = 2y

Here comes the moment of truth - we have to divide the whole thing by 2 in order to find the value of y. That's actually a little tricky. The best approach is to very carefully write out the actual math, and apply the rules even if they seem counterintuitive.

(2^(2^37))/2 = y

2^((2^37)-1) = y

Your answer should look something like that.

Note: I just checked the original problem, and found that it read "2^y" rather than "2y". That's why my answer doesn't agree with the original answer in Bunuel's link!

Original question with solution:

11. If \(x>0\), \(x^2=2^{64}\) and \(x^x=2^y\) then what is the value of \(y\)?
A. 2
B. 2^(11)
C. 2^(32)
D. 2^(37)
E. 2^(64)

\(x^2=2^{64}\) --> \(x=\sqrt{2^{64}}=2^{\frac{64}{2}}=2^{32}\) (note that \(x=-\sqrt{2^{64}}\) is not a valid solution as given that \(x>0\)).

Second step: \(x^x=(2^{32})^{(2^{32})}=2^{32*2^{32}}=2^{2^{5}*2^{32}}=2^{2^{37}}=2^y\) --> \(y=2^{37}\).

OR second step: \(x^x=(2^{32})^x=2^{32x}=2^y\) --> \(y=32x\) --> since \(x=2^{32}\) then \(y=32x=32*2^{32}=2^5*2^{32}=2^{37}\).

Answer: D.
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