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Congratulations for the great admits and good riddance to the GMAT :) (from someone who likes the exam)

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At this point I came to wish that there were more resources actually showing top tier GMAT test takers actually writing an exam.
I didn't follow this part of the debrief. Could you clarify?

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In a traditional test, if you are unsure how to answer a question - reviewing and understanding the memo answer is usually enough to ensure that you will get it right when if / when you see a similar question again.

Because of the time constraints that go with writing GMAT seeing and completely understanding a memo answer isn't particularly helpful.

Understanding how someone is consistently getting 700+ (I feel) would be a matter of seeing someone write an entire section in real time.

But then again this assumes that I would be able to deploy the rules at a similar rate as them. Which is naturally just optimistic guesswork.
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Thank you so much for sharing Mattlol!
That's a great achievement to get offers from LBS and others with scholarships!
We have had a recent debrief with a person who got into Stanford in R3 with GMAT 650 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbYPZ5_vwdo so I feel GMAT is indeed starting to show its limits and perhaps marginalized importance. Obviously everyone has a different story and not everyone with 650 or 640 will get into LBS or Stanford but I am glad to see that we are not defined or tethered by an exam!

Thank you so much for sharing your experience!
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In a traditional test, if you are unsure how to answer a question - reviewing and understanding the memo answer is usually enough to ensure that you will get it right when if / when you see a similar question again.

Because of the time constraints that go with writing GMAT seeing and completely understanding a memo answer isn't particularly helpful.

Understanding how someone is consistently getting 700+ (I feel) would be a matter of seeing someone write an entire section in real time.
'Memo answer' is a new term for me. It's probably the first time I've heard it.

In the GMAT context, if 'memo answer' refers to the OG explanation, then you're right. Those explanations are often not helpful for learners.

But seeing someone do the exam in real time will be even less help. You will see the expert concentrating hard, probably scribbling on the notepad, perhaps keeping track of answers on his/her fingers, and clicking the mouse. What use is that?

If the expert provided step-by-step explanations while doing the exam, that could be useful. That, obviously, is not possible within the time constraints. So many experts do the next best thing: they provide these explanations on gmatclub (or on YouTube, or on their blogs, ...)

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...the tactics in theory are useful but they are largely impossible to appropriately deploy under the time constraints GMAT gives you. I wish there were examples of people writing this exam in real time. As much as you need to master the fundamentals at a reasonable pace - deploying them at the necessary exam pace feels entirely unrealistic (at least to get a 700
The tactics can seem impossible to someone who is learning. But after the learner has learnt the tactics, and practised enough, those tactics become habits, almost instincts. And that is when speed improves. The habits, instincts, speed are a result of practice and repetition.

Of course, different experts may recommend different tactics (different approaches), and all tactics aren't equally efficient. But is there any other way to learn if you don't start with basics and don't practise the methods?

Suppose you had to advise a friend how to drive a car or how to play golf, would you just say 'Watch me'?

For some people, practice and skills and learning from other areas transfer to the GMAT. An analogous example is that you could probably pick up a new sport and perform well without much effort. An unfit couch potato would need to put in effort in different areas (fitness, skills,..).


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Hi Mattlol,

Congratulations on the LBS/IESE admits.

I accept your criticism of the the test prep (and admissions consulting) industry. The GMAT, however, is pretty good (for a standardised test), and GMAC makes information about regional variations in GMAT scores easily available to schools. Every school that I know of uses this information in the admissions process. As for the racial remarks, they are not acceptable, and you should let those schools know what happened.
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Lol. Also got INSEAD offer. Found out today I got off the waitlist.

Surprised this post didn't become viral though.

I cannot stress enough how much time, energy and stress I poured into this exam. Only for my first mark to ultimately be the one I used.

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Lol. Also got INSEAD offer. Found out today I got off the waitlist.

Surprised this post didn't become viral though.

I cannot stress enough how much time, energy and stress I poured into this exam. Only for my first mark to ultimately be the one I used.

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Wow. Congratulations!!!
I am also a bit surprised so I have updated the subject :angel:


This person recently got into Stanford with GMAT 650: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbYPZ5_vwdo
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Hi Mattlol,

Thanks for sharing your 3-year GMAT journey, which I am sure gives inspiration to many who read it.

Contrary to popular belief, a 650+ GMAT score is not necessary for most MBA applicants. Unless you're a tutor or instructor, the entire purpose of taking the GMAT is to earn admission to the business school(s) of your choice.

You did exactly that. Hence, I agree that your GMAT score of 640 was a success — regardless of whether you reached your ultimate score goal. You will be taking the same exact classes as the students who scored 700+, and you will earn the exact same degree. :)
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