According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health. (A) wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is (B) wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be (C) wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be (D) total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be (E) total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is https://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/19/health/vital-signs-nutrition-but-what-did-the-cow-have-for-lunch.html Wild animals not only have less total fat than livestock fed on grain, but more of their fat is of a kind (omega-3) thought to be good for cardiac health, and less of a kind (omega-6) that promotes heart disease, said the studies, published in the March issue of The European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Many of the same benefits were found in grass-fed livestock, also known as free range. Nutritional Value (A) Pronoun ( they ) (B) CORRECT Topic ( question text ); (C) Comparison ( X less than Y ) (D) Comparison ( X less than Y ); Pronoun ( they ) (E) Comparison ( X less than Y ); Pronouns ( they ; their ) First glance The opening split ( wild animals vs. total fat ) doesn’t point clearly to a particular type of grammar rule. The underline does start just after a comma, so perhaps there is a meaning or modifier issue that dictates what noun should appear after the comma. (Note: it turns out that there are no modifier issues. Sometimes, the first glance doesn’t provide a great starting point, as is the case on this problem.) Issues (1) Pronoun: they; their The original sentence uses a pronoun: a fat they think is good for cardiac health . Who are they ? The only plural nouns in the sentence are studies and animals . The studies can’t think anything, and it’s illogical to say the animals think the fat is good for cardiac health. Eliminate (A) because there is no referent for the pronoun they . Answers (D) and (E) contain the same error (no referent for they ). Answer (E) uses their to refer to a type of animal, but is it referring to the wild animals or the domesticated animals ? Eliminate (D) and (E) for pronoun problems. (2) Comparison: X less than Y The sentence makes a double comparison: Wild animals have less total fat than livestock have. In addition, wild animals have more of a “good” fat than livestock have. (Note: the word livestock can be singular or plural.) Answers (A) and (B) make a correct comparison (though they use slightly different forms to do so). Answers (C), (D), and (E), however, have issues. Answers (C) and (E) compare wild animals with that of livestock . What does the pronoun that refer to? It appears to refer to fat so try replacing that with fat : wild animals have less total fat than the fat of livestock fed on grain . If something seems off, you’re right! In this construction, the word fat is part of the core comparison idiom: one type of animal has less total fat than another type of animal. The comparison should be between the two types of animal: wild animals and livestock . Eliminate answers (C) and (E). Answer (D) changes the comparison: total fat (of wild animals) and livestock fed on grain . The choice should compare the total fat of one type of animal to the total fat of another type of animal; instead, it compares the total fat of one type of animal to another type of animal. Eliminate choice (D). The Correct Answer Correct answer (B) removes the faulty pronoun entirely while still making a correct comparison: wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain . The sentence still does not say who thinks this fat is good for cardiac health, but that’s okay; the sentence isn’t required to do so, since there is no pronoun that needs a referent.

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I marked answer as C for this question. But can someone please explain me how to decide what we are comparing?

I thought in C we are comparing Similar to similar (Fat to Fat) and in B we are not comparing similar to similar (Fat to Livestock)

But after seeing the explanation i got to know the comparison in B was Between Animal to Animal and In c it was Animal to Fat.
Please explain me how to decide which entity are we comparing?

(B) and (C) both have some issues though logically (B) works but (C) does not.
Check here: https://gmatclub.com/forum/according-to ... l#p1378490
Also check daagh's post here to see the issue with (B) in detail: https://gmatclub.com/forum/according-to ... ml#p821933

Also, when we say:
A is bigger/better... than B.
A has bigger/better/more .. than does B.
In both cases, we are comparing A with B.

The X of A is bigger/better/... than that of B.
We are comparing Xs. "that" stands for an object. It is X here.

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Hi MartyTargetTestPrep - Why is the comparison regarding D wrong ? Can we not interpret D as the following:

option D) Total fat of wild animals is less than (Total fat of) livestock fed on grain.

The reason I ask is this form of ellipsis IS TAKING PLACE in the non-underline structure in this sentence per my understanding.

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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and (nutritional value of) meat from domesticated animals....

Hence if the ellipsis can work in the non-underline structure, why can't the same ellipsis work regarding option D ?

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"Total fat of wild animals is less than (Total fat of) livestock fed on grain." -> Doesn't work backwards.

I sleep more than you (sleep). -> This can work.

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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and (nutritional value of) meat from domesticated animals....

Hence if the ellipsis can work in the non-underline structure, why can't the same ellipsis work regarding option D ?

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We hope this finds you well.

Having gone through the question and your query, we believe we can resolve your doubt.

The ellipses can work in the non-underlined structure because it simply lists the two things being compared, as evidenced by the "A and B" structure; in the underlined portion, the comparison is actively being made, so ellipsis cannot work.

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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and (nutritional value of) meat from domesticated animals....

Hence if the ellipsis can work in the non-underline structure, why can't the same ellipsis work regarding option D ?

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Notice that what appears in the non-underlined structure is not ellipsis as we see it in comparisons. It's a carry over in a parallell list of items.

"Nutritional value of" appears in front of "meat from wild animals" and is understood to carry over appear before "meat from domesticated animals."

So, of like the carry over in this sentence.

John ate and left.

"John" is understood to appear before "left."

Regarding the comparison, if a comparison clearly conveys a nonsensical comparison, it's incorrect, even if you can understand what's missing.

For example.

My dog barks louder than my brother. - This clearly conveys that my dog barks louder than my brother. So, even if we know that the point is my dog barks louder than "that of my brother," the sentence is incorrect.

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Hi Marty -

Whenever doing comparisons on the GMAT -- do you always look out the understand -- are two nouns being compared OR are two clauses being compared ? I think i struggle to understand based on the comparative structure - are 2 nouns being compared or are 2 clauses being compared

Laos has a land area as large as area of Great Britain

Would you agree in this case -- nouns are being compared

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What is wild animal modifiying here?since it's after comma@banuel

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In this sentence, "wild animals" does not modify anything.

"Wild animals" appears after a comma because it's the subject of the main clause of the sentence, which begins after the comma.

The core of that clause is "wild animals ... have."

The comma serves to separate what precedes the comma, which is a modifier, from the clause that follows the modifier.

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How do I exactly know what is being compared, fat of wild animals or wild animals themseleves? I always get confused with this! Someone please help

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How do I exactly know what is being compared, fat of wild animals or wild animals themseleves? I always get confused with this! Someone please help

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We hope this finds you well.

To understand what elements are being compared, you must look at the elements on either side of the comparison marker, which in this case is "than".

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How do I exactly know what is being compared, fat of wild animals or wild animals themseleves? I always get confused with this! Someone please help

Hi Vyom, I do think the original sentence is quite clear in terms of intended meaning:

- Wild animals have less total fat
- Livestock fed on grain have more total fat

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Refer official question: Confusion ??

Official Guide 10th SC #19:
In addition to having more protein than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

A. the protein in rice is higher quality than that in
B. rice has protein of higher quality than that in (correct)
C. the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in
D. rice protein is higher in quality than it is in
E. rice has a protein higher in quality than (wrong)

Ron's explanation to above question :
"#19 is interesting. there's still LOGICAL parallelism - you have the protein contained in rice, and you have the protein contained in wheat - but the GRAMMATICAL parallelism isn't lock-step: you have "rice has protein" vs. "that in wheat". in other words, while both halves refer to the protein contained in a particular type of food, they do so in slightly different ways. The lesson here is that we shouldn't complain, but, rather, we should learn: if the logical parallelism is absolutely clear, then the gmat will tolerate slight anomalies from the ideal of exact grammatical parallelism."

According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A.wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is
B.wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
C.wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be
D.total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be
E.total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

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Lots of confusion is going on following question in comparison to one old official question.
I am in favor of option C, but few experts are in favor of B, whereas one official answer is supporting my point. Could you please help me to understand why C is wrong

if I say : I have less money than that in box << would it be fine ??
I believe both B and C are correct styles of setting comparison because we are comparing total fats of both kinds of animals.

Dear PiyushK,
I am happy to respond to your p.m., my friend.

First of all, on the tricky topic of omitting words in parallel, see:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/dropping-c ... -the-gmat/

In the OG question (OG10, SC #19), choice (B) is clearly the right answer ---- "rice has protein of a higher quality than the protein in wheat". The demonstrative pronoun (that, those) refer to a word or phrase explicitly mentioned earlier in the sentence. Since "protein" was mentioned, literally and explicitly, at an earlier point in the sentence, we can use "that" to substitute for it.

Now, the animal fat question. Hmmm. I don't know the source of this question, but I don't think it's a good question. When the word "than" follows a direct object, the comparison can be with either the subject or the object. In (C), if "that" stands for "total fat", then we are comparing object to object, which is correct. I know the MGMAT folks say that (B) is right and (C) is wrong, and they're very smart, but I say that a strong case can be mounted for either (B) or (C), and because of this, this is not a very well written question. This question is not up to the high standards of the GMAT.

In your sentence:
I have less money than that in box
the big problem is the missing article before "box"
I have less money than that in the box.
We could also phrase that as:
I have less money than is in that box.
This last version might be best, but the second version is logical & grammatical correct, if not completely idiomatically natural.

Does all this make sense?
Mike

Hi Mike.
Can you please tell me why option 1 is incorrect in your money and the box example.
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According to recent studies, wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain.

How can Wild animals be "according to recent studies"?
In the below questions, we can see that -ed or -ing modifiers, such as "based on" or "using," don't make sense with the subject.

So, according to this logic, isn't the above usage of "according" wrong?

https://gmatclub.com/forum/based-on-acc ... 40242.html

https://gmatclub.com/forum/using-study- ... 20346.html

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According to is a different type of phrase (in this context, it means ~as stated by). The rules that apply to present participle modifiers don't apply to according to.

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If we conclude that this is an issue in any one of the answer choices, then we must conclude that it's an issue in all of the answer choices. In other words, because the same potential meaning issue appears in all five choices, we know that the test doesn't want us to worry about it.

"According to..." logically modifies the ensuing clause anyway, so that isn't much of a stretch.

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In option B .

Why is "Wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain" non ambiguos:
Is it not leading to two meanings ?

1. Wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain have less total fat ( Order )
or
2. Wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain have ( Comparison)

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can someone please help in understand what's wrong in saying, WA has less total fat than the total of DA?

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#2 is the only logical way to interpret the construction: we're comparing the amount of fat in wild animals to the amount of fat in grain-fed livestock, and concluding that the wild animals have less.

If I write, "Tim has fewer Legos than Tom," it wouldn't make any sense to interpret this to mean that "Tim has fewer Legos than Tom has fewer Legos," or that "Tim has fewer Legos than he has Tom," right? So it must mean that we're comparing how many Legos Tim has to how how many Tom has.

If there's only one coherent meaning, there's no ambiguity.

I hope that clears things up!

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Great discussions in this post ... maybe a good item to cover next SC Video would be "Ellipsis" .... I picked A as the right answer because I thought "they" is referring to "studies". As per the rulebook of Pronoun, "they" can refer to both "living" and "non-living" things, such as - we use "they" to refer to companies, why "they" cannot refer to studies? Is this an exception to the rule?

Also, for (C), Why can't we compare the "total fat" content b/w the animals, is not what (C) is doing? I still do not understand why it produces an illogical meaning ...

GMATNinja AndrewN Please help ... this question is killing me ...

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Hello IN2MBB2PE,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, "they" can refer to both non-living and living things; its usage is incorrect here because "they" cannot logically refer to "studies", "wild animals", or "livestock": taking "wild animals" or "livestock" as the referent of "they" would illogically imply that animals hold an opinion on cardiac health, and the noun "studies" cannot logically be said to take the action of "thinking".

A noun such as "study", "book", "article", etc, can be said to "say" something, "convey" something, or take any other verb that refers to conveying information, but it cannot be said to "think", as in formulating thoughts; the action of "thinking" can only be ascribed to the author of the work.

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