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According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.


(A) wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

(B) wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

(C) wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

(D) total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

(E) total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is


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https://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/19/health/vital-signs-nutrition-but-what-did-the-cow-have-for-lunch.html

Wild animals not only have less total fat than livestock fed on grain, but more of their fat is of a kind (omega-3) thought to be good for cardiac health, and less of a kind (omega-6) that promotes heart disease, said the studies, published in the March issue of The European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Many of the same benefits were found in grass-fed livestock, also known as free range.

Nutritional Value

(A) Pronoun (they)

(B) CORRECT Topic (question text);

(C) Comparison (X less than Y)

(D) Comparison (X less than Y); Pronoun (they)

(E) Comparison (X less than Y); Pronouns (they; their)


First glance

The opening split (wild animals vs. total fat) doesn’t point clearly to a particular type of grammar rule. The underline does start just after a comma, so perhaps there is a meaning or modifier issue that dictates what noun should appear after the comma.

(Note: it turns out that there are no modifier issues. Sometimes, the first glance doesn’t provide a great starting point, as is the case on this problem.)

Issues

(1) Pronoun: they; their

The original sentence uses a pronoun: a fat they think is good for cardiac health. Who are they?

The only plural nouns in the sentence are studies and animals. The studies can’t think anything, and it’s illogical to say the animals think the fat is good for cardiac health. Eliminate (A) because there is no referent for the pronoun they.

Answers (D) and (E) contain the same error (no referent for they). Answer (E) uses their to refer to a type of animal, but is it referring to the wild animals or the domesticated animals? Eliminate (D) and (E) for pronoun problems.

(2) Comparison: X less than Y

The sentence makes a double comparison: Wild animals have less total fat than livestock have. In addition, wild animals have more of a “good” fat than livestock have. (Note: the word livestock can be singular or plural.)

Answers (A) and (B) make a correct comparison (though they use slightly different forms to do so). Answers (C), (D), and (E), however, have issues.

Answers (C) and (E) compare wild animals with that of livestock. What does the pronoun that refer to? It appears to refer to fat so try replacing that with fat: wild animals have less total fat than the fat of livestock fed on grain. If something seems off, you’re right! In this construction, the word fat is part of the core comparison idiom: one type of animal has less total fat than another type of animal. The comparison should be between the two types of animal: wild animals and livestock. Eliminate answers (C) and (E).

Answer (D) changes the comparison: total fat (of wild animals) and livestock fed on grain. The choice should compare the total fat of one type of animal to the total fat of another type of animal; instead, it compares the total fat of one type of animal to another type of animal. Eliminate choice (D).

The Correct Answer

Correct answer (B) removes the faulty pronoun entirely while still making a correct comparison: wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain. The sentence still does not say who thinks this fat is good for cardiac health, but that’s okay; the sentence isn’t required to do so, since there is no pronoun that needs a referent.
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A few of my best students have gotten their asses thoroughly kicked by this one, so please don’t feel badly if you struggled with it. (And most of the early responses look great!) Success on this question is mostly about your ability to be incredibly literal with the meaning, particularly as it relates to the pronouns in the sentence. (For more on pronouns, check out our good old YouTube webinar on the topic.)

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A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

“They” has to refer back to a plural noun, but our only options are “studies” (which makes no sense, because studies can’t think) or “wild animals” (which also makes no sense, unless you think wild animals moonlight as nutritionists. (A) is out.

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B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

There’s no pronoun here, so that’s cool. And I think the meaning works: “wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain” is fine. The second part seems fine, too: “wild animals have… more of a kind of fat thought to be good for cardiac health.”

I don’t see any huge issues, so let’s keep (B).

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C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

As described in our rambling guide to the word “that”, “that” is a singular pronoun in this type of situation. In (C), I guess it has to refer to “total fat,” but that doesn’t really make sense: “wild animals have less total fat than the total fat of livestock fed on grain…”

That’s kind of a mess. Wild animals have less fat than livestock, but it wouldn’t make sense to say that “wild animals have less total fat.. than the total fat…” That comparison is thoroughly wrong. (C) is out.

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D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

This comparison is very clearly wrong: “total fat… is less than livestock.” You could, I suppose, also argue that the “they” isn’t 100% clear – but the illogical comparison is the most straightforward issue. (D) is out, too.

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E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

There’s a lot of clunkiness here, but the biggest issue is the word “they”: the only possible referents are “wild animals”, “livestock”, or “studies.” And none of those are likely to “think [that fat] is good for cardiac health.” (E) is gone, and (B) is the best answer.
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Look at the following 3 comparisons

"wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock"
-- this comparison is clearly wrong. does this statement less fat than fat of livestock ? would that be a proper english sentence ?

"wild animals have less total fat than livestock have"
-- This makes much more sense. Sometimes the have at the end is not written (since its obvious). This phenomenon is termed ellipsis, and it is used in this statement.

"wild animals have less total fat than do livestock"
-- I am not sure whether this option is correct. Someone else may have to explain it.
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I went for C. I strongly believe C is correct.

it was between B vs C.


B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be -> changes the meaning.

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be -> correct proper comparison
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A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is . pronoun they has no referent

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is .
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I am afraid that this is a weird question. No choice seems satisfying.

A and E are out because, we don’t have a proper reference for the pronoun they.

B looks apparently better than others, because, in gist, it maintains the comparison between wild animals and domestic animals, although it is also meaning to say that wild animals have less total fat than they have livestock, which is indeed absurd

C compares the total fat of these two kinds of animals rather than comparing the animals themselves.

D is comparing total fat with livestock.

B is the best of the bad boys.
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I am afraid that this is a weird question. No choice seems satisfying.

B looks apparently better than others, because, in gist, it maintains the comparison between wild animals and domestic animals, although it is also meaning to say that wild animals have less total fat than they have livestock, which is indeed absurd

The right answer is B which is surprising. This is kind of interesting question.


Going by the same logic that you have used, I picked B.

But does the sentence imply that "wild animals have less total fat than they have livestock"?

Let's consider some examples:

Japan has more money than China (has).
Japan's economy is better than that of China.
Japan's economy is better than China.

In the first example, you are comparing two countries. In the second, you are comparing economies. So both the sentences are correct. The third example is wrong because the comparison is wrong.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken but I think that you are attributing the mistake in the third example to the question when in fact it has a structure similar to the first example.
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The problem with the choice B is its ambiguity. IMO, though weird as it may look, it does imply a possibility that the wild animals have less total fat than they have livestock.

Taking your choices


Japan has more money than China (has).
Japan's economy is better than that of China.
Japan's economy is better than China.

In the first one, which seems to have no problem, the saving grace is the elliptical verb “has.” If you had not indicated it, the meaning may distort that Japan has more money than Japan has China.( absurd though)

Let me give you a couple of examples, where it may not be so absurd

I Jack loves Jill more than Tom.

Basically two interpretations are possible,


1. Jack loves Jill more than he loves Tom,
2. Jack loves Jill more that Tom loves Jill

II Nobody knows the baby better than the mother

1 nobody knows the baby better than the mother knows the baby
2. Nobody knows the baby better than he or she knows the mother

In order to remove this ambiguity only, we have to provide a necessary verb in the second arm of the comparison. In the given text, B would have been better, if it had stated “wild animals have less total fat than have livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

Is it of any help?
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1. If this is an OG or GPRP question, I will agree with the OA.
2. Grammatically A and E are out because both choices use an irrelevant pronoun ‘they’.
3. In D also, ‘they’ is ambiguous and no one knows whether it refers to wild animals or livestock or studies.
4. In C, the comparison is between the total fat in wild animals with that in livestock fed on grains; Considering that the studies compare the nutritional values of two types of meat rather than the two meats themselves or the two types of animals , the comparison seems to be fairly good in C.

5.On the contrary, B straight compares wild animals with livestock, which is prima facie wrong as it alters the intent of the original. In addition, the structure of the sentence gives a slant that the wild animals have less total fat than the wild animals have livestock fed on ……

6.This is not to say that C is rather the most elegant; it also its own flaws. The ‘have’ with less total fat and the ‘have’ with more fat of a kind are both redundant; It would be parallel to cut off the second ‘have’.

In spite of all this reasoning, B is claimed to be the right answer? Any reason?
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The answer to this question is definitely (B) and not (C). The question itself is fine; somebody just made a minor typo and put (C) instead of (B).

In (C) we have the pronoun 'that': 'wild animals have less total fat than that of....' What exactly does the 'that' refer to? If the 'that' referred to the fat of livestock, then we would be comparing 'wild animals' to 'the fat of livestock' which is indeed a bizarre comparison. (B) maintains a logical comparison between 'wild animals' and 'livestock.'
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http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/acc ... -t718.html
The above link (shared by rahulsn84) states that MGMAT supports B on this one.
Was not convinced with B as " wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain" could be interpreted to mean wild animals have less fat and more livestock -Illogical comparison. Also, MGMAT guides emphasizes the need for "does" in situations such as I like to eat pies more that Jill does (Without "does" you could like pies more than Jill or eating them more than Jill does). Anyway, as per the thread though that rule is valid, GMAT doesn't consider it a deal breaker!!) :O
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I think B and C are both incorrect... The correct one would read something like this....

wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain do and more of a kind of fat thought to be
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C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be
- C is correct as that of implies fat of live stock..



Lets break this down...

Wild animals have less total fat than "that" of livestock fed on grain

What does that refer to? If it is fat as is claimed...

The sentence would read

Wild animals have less total fat than fat of livestock fed on grain - Thats an incorrect comparison because it compares Wild Animals with Fat of Livestock fed on grain
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For such questions it is always good to cut the crap and make your own simple small sentences to predict the balance of comparison.

I have more chocolates than you (have).

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock (have) : thus a noun + verb is expected to balance the comparison.
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I read other forums as well. Lots of confusion was going on between B and C.
Refer following thread: Even this question is declared bogus question as no answer choice is correct.
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... ons-3.html

Further B is least erroneous choice.

I will have to accept that my understanding related to what is being compared in this question was not correct.

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Walkers Lites and Potato Heads contain 33% less total fat than Walkers crisps.
"Reduced-fat" ice cream contains at least 25 percent less total fat than the regular product.
Body mass indices did not demonstrate that men had less total fat than women.
Peanuts actually have less total fat than most other nuts.
Turkey has less total fat than other meats.
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Refer official question: Confusion ??

Official Guide 10th SC #19:
In addition to having more protein than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

A. the protein in rice is higher quality than that in
B. rice has protein of higher quality than that in (correct)
C. the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in
D. rice protein is higher in quality than it is in
E. rice has a protein higher in quality than (wrong)

Ron's explanation to above question :
"#19 is interesting. there's still LOGICAL parallelism - you have the protein contained in rice, and you have the protein contained in wheat - but the GRAMMATICAL parallelism isn't lock-step: you have "rice has protein" vs. "that in wheat". in other words, while both halves refer to the protein contained in a particular type of food, they do so in slightly different ways. The lesson here is that we shouldn't complain, but, rather, we should learn: if the logical parallelism is absolutely clear, then the gmat will tolerate slight anomalies from the ideal of exact grammatical parallelism."


According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A.wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is
B.wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
C.wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be
D.total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be
E.total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is
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Refer official question: Confusion ??

Official Guide 10th SC #19:
In addition to having more protein than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

A. the protein in rice is higher quality than that in
B. rice has protein of higher quality than that in (correct)
C. the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in
D. rice protein is higher in quality than it is in
E. rice has a protein higher in quality than (wrong)

Ron's explanation to above question :
"#19 is interesting. there's still LOGICAL parallelism - you have the protein contained in rice, and you have the protein contained in wheat - but the GRAMMATICAL parallelism isn't lock-step: you have "rice has protein" vs. "that in wheat". in other words, while both halves refer to the protein contained in a particular type of food, they do so in slightly different ways. The lesson here is that we shouldn't complain, but, rather, we should learn: if the logical parallelism is absolutely clear, then the gmat will tolerate slight anomalies from the ideal of exact grammatical parallelism."


According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A.wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is
B.wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
C.wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be
D.total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be
E.total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

PiyushK wrote:
Lots of confusion is going on following question in comparison to one old official question.
I am in favor of option C, but few experts are in favor of B, whereas one official answer is supporting my point. Could you please help me to understand why C is wrong

if I say : I have less money than that in box << would it be fine ??
I believe both B and C are correct styles of setting comparison because we are comparing total fats of both kinds of animals.

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I am happy to respond to your p.m., my friend. :-) First of all, on the tricky topic of omitting words in parallel, see:
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/dropping-c ... -the-gmat/

In the OG question (OG10, SC #19), choice (B) is clearly the right answer ---- "rice has protein of a higher quality than the protein in wheat". The demonstrative pronoun (that, those) refer to a word or phrase explicitly mentioned earlier in the sentence. Since "protein" was mentioned, literally and explicitly, at an earlier point in the sentence, we can use "that" to substitute for it.

Now, the animal fat question. Hmmm. I don't know the source of this question, but I don't think it's a good question. When the word "than" follows a direct object, the comparison can be with either the subject or the object. In (C), if "that" stands for "total fat", then we are comparing object to object, which is correct. I know the MGMAT folks say that (B) is right and (C) is wrong, and they're very smart, but I say that a strong case can be mounted for either (B) or (C), and because of this, this is not a very well written question. This question is not up to the high standards of the GMAT.

In your sentence:
I have less money than that in box
the big problem is the missing article before "box"
I have less money than that in the box.
We could also phrase that as:
I have less money than is in that box.
This last version might be best, but the second version is logical & grammatical correct, if not completely idiomatically natural.

Does all this make sense?
Mike :-)
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Since I do poorly on comparisons, here is my query.

As per B:

wild animals have less total fat than livestock

Now is the livestock behaving as an object or the subject?

Meaning 1: Animals have less total fat than livestock do. (Livestock behaving as subject)

Meaning 2: Animals have less total fat than they have livestock. (Livestock behaving as object for the subject 'animals).

Please advise !


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The structure needs to be parallel when you compare.

A has better P than does B.
The verb 'has' demands the verb 'does'.

Error 1:
A has better P than B - incorrect
Makes you think that you are comparing P with B - both of which A has!

Error 2:
A has better P than that of B - incorrect
As said above, verb 'has' demands a verb.

When is 'than that of' correct?
We use “than that of” when we compare an attribute or a possession of two objects.
For example, the correct use of 'than that of' will be "A's P is better than that of B"
or "His job is even more complicated than that of a pilot."

B.wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
Not good - Error 1

C.wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be
Not good - Error 2

But as we see from the official questions (this one and the rice protein one) both structures are acceptable. Honestly, I hope GMAT does not give you such constructions in correct options.
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Isn't B ambiguous?
I mean, it could both mean:
wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain have
or
wild animals have less total fat than wild animals livestock fed on grain

Logically, we know that the first one is correct, but it is still ambiguous.




wild animals have less total fat than wild animals livestock fed on grain

In the above sentence, do you get any logical meaning? What are you comparing with?

A comparison becomes ambiguous only if it gives two logical meaning.

Example- Farhan has more fascination to money than his wife

Two meaning-- 1. Farhan has more fascination to money than his wife has fascination to money
2. Farhan has more fascination to money than he has fascination to his wife
In the example both the sentences give logical meaning. So, the main sentence is ambiguous.

But--- If we say -- Farhan eats more fruits than his wife
1. Farhan eats more fruits than his wife eats fruits
2. Farhan eats more fruits than he eats his wife---- Illogical.
So this sentence is not ambiguous.

For the same reason B is not incorrect.
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A. wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is
-> There is no referent of they.

B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
-> Correct - the comparison is correct. We are comparing Wild animals to livestock.

C. wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

The that here refers to the fat and if we put it back in the original sentence the sentence becomes
Wild animals have less total fat than fat of livestock .....
-> comparing wild animals to fat.

D. total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be
-> Total fat compared to livestock

E. total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is
-> no referent of they and this choice is way too wordy.
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