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Hi Rich,

thanks for your fast reply!

Concerning the CATs:
1) Yes I did them entirely every time and also used the same order as in my exam (Quant -> Verbal -> IR-> AWA)
2) Yes I took 3 of them at my parent's home and 1 at my own home
3) No, just the 700 CAT was at about the same time, as I took it at 10AM (approx. 2 hours after waking up like in the GMAT Exam). Also I did most of the CATs (exception: the 700 CAT) after working/learning for a few hours.
4) Some of the CATs yes (the Manhattan one e.g. because sth. from outside interrputed me). Though e.g. the 700 CAT and some of the other offical CATs were at test conditions (maybe the breaks were like a few seconds longer). I am pretty sure that I had no interruptions in most of the tests concerning Quant section (as I did Quant first).
5) The 700 CAT was exam 1 again, which i took about a month before already. Though it didn't seem that I knew any of these questions (also I had the first Quant question wrong, which did not happen on the first time of exam 1.) The other exams were all different ones and I didn't knew any of the questions.
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Hi
Can you please tell which section you attempted first .

Hey surbhipuri,

did Quant first, then Verbal, and finally IR and AWA.
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Thanks for replying.I was just wondering whether selection order affects the difficulty level of questions in quant and verbal .experts any advice .

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Hi Karohpit,

I'm sorry to hear that Test Day didn't go as well as planned. When these types of score drops occur, the two likely "causes" involve either something that was unrealistic during practice or something that was surprising (or not accounted for) on Test Day. If you can answer a few questions, then we should be able to figure this out:

When you took your CATs:
1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT each time (including the Essay and IR sections)?
2) Did you take them at home?
3) Did you take them at the same time of day as when you took your Official GMAT?
4) Did you ever do ANYTHING during your CATs that you couldn't do on Test Day (pause the CAT, skip sections, take longer breaks, etc.)?
5) Did you ever take a CAT more than once? Had you seen any of the questions BEFORE?

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Would you recommend going through the Quant and Verbal section of GMATClub and doing the questions sorted by difficult until I ace e.g. 5 questions of every difficult level in a row or should I try to completely restart for one month with another Course/Book Prep other than ManhattanPrep?
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Hi Karohpit,

From your prior post, there were a few 'red flags' in terms of how you took your practice CATs. Before we discuss those details though, I have a few additional questions about the lead-up to Test Day and Test Day itself:

1) What did you do in the 3 days before your GMAT?
2) How did you sleep the night before your Test?
3) How long was the ride to the Test Center from your home?
4) Were there any distractions at the facility or during the Test?
5) What did you do during the two 8-minute breaks?
6) Did you finish any sections early?
7) Did you have to rush to finish any sections (and guess on questions just to finish on time)?

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Hi Rich,

thanks for your reply.
1) I basically repeated my flash cards in the days before the test. Moreover, two days before the test I did the Manhattan Prep GMAT. I corrected this test on the day before the exam and also did some exercises.
2) Didn't sleep very well. I went to bed early (aimed for about 8 hours of sleep), but woke up multiple times. Nevertheless, I didn't felt too tired on the test day.
3) The ride is approximately 15-20 mins. The test center is <3km from my home.
4) I didn't learn with headphones and/or earplugs at any time before the test. Somebody started with the essay section so I had to use the earplugs. But there were no other distractions.
5.) During the breaks I went to the restroom and after that took some sips of my powerade and ate a cereal bar.
6.) No not really.
7.) Guessed some questions on math and verbal but during the test. I think I didn't guess at the end of the sections, hence I was wondering about my score, as I had to guess always at the end of the sections during my CATs.

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Hi Karohpit,

From your prior post, there were a few 'red flags' in terms of how you took your practice CATs. Before we discuss those details though, I have a few additional questions about the lead-up to Test Day and Test Day itself:

1) What did you do in the 3 days before your GMAT?
2) How did you sleep the night before your Test?
3) How long was the ride to the Test Center from your home?
4) Were there any distractions at the facility or during the Test?
5) What did you do during the two 8-minute breaks?
6) Did you finish any sections early?
7) Did you have to rush to finish any sections (and guess on questions just to finish on time)?

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Hi Karohpit,

Test Day is a rather specific 'event' - the details are specific and they matter, so you have to train as best as you can for all of them. The more realistic you can make your CATs, the more likely the score results are to be accurate. The more you deviate, the more "inflated" your practice scores can become - and that's what happened here. By taking the CATs at home, taking them at different times of day, retaking a CAT that you had already taken, etc., you weren't properly training for the FULL GMAT 'experience.' By extension, your practice CAT scores were not accurate.

In addition, there are a variety of other factors that likely impacted your performance. The process of taking (and reviewing) a CAT requires a significant amount of energy and effort - and takes time to 'recover' from. This is one of the reasons why you typically shouldn't take more than 1 CAT per week. By taking a CAT two days before your Official GMAT, there's a reasonable chance that you experienced some 'burn out' on Test Day. In addition, getting a poor night's sleep the night before the Exam would hurt most Test Takers - so that should not be overlooked.

Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. In addition, now that you've faced the Official GMAT, you can use your knowledge of that experience to better plan out how you will face the GMAT the next time you take it. Raising a 560 to a 650+ will likely take at least another 2 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections.

1) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
2) What Schools are you planning to apply to?
3) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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Thanks a lot. I agree that it was not the FULL GMAT experience with the CATs but i feel like I would have done way better if I would have taken another GMAT (different questions) one day after my exam. So I don't really believe that 560 reflects what I could have scored. Also 560 was the lowest result I had in all tests. Also I did some of the CATs at worse conditions (after a long working day) compared to the real GMAT.
Nevertheless you are right I need to learn again and give it another try.

1) As soon as possible. Would have scheduled my TOEFL in about 2 weeks if the GMAT would not have been that bad.
2) I'm planning to apply for the MiM at IE Business School, Rotterdam, LBS, ESADE and ESCP Europe.
3) Hope for about 2-3 hours on working days and about 8 hours at the weekend.

What would you think should be the time I need e.g. using another course like EmpowerGMAT ?

/EDIT: I now bought access to EMPOWERgmat for one month. Would you advice just studying from the course for the next weeks (and doing OG questions and CATS whenever requested in the course) or still doing e.g. 15-20 daily questions in the OG to not forget about the things I learned in the past 2 months? And would you advice still reading my selfmade Manhattan Prep Math/Verbal Principles Flash Cards and my mistake flashcards?

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Hi Karohpit,

Test Day is a rather specific 'event' - the details are specific and they matter, so you have to train as best as you can for all of them. The more realistic you can make your CATs, the more likely the score results are to be accurate. The more you deviate, the more "inflated" your practice scores can become - and that's what happened here. By taking the CATs at home, taking them at different times of day, retaking a CAT that you had already taken, etc., you weren't properly training for the FULL GMAT 'experience.' By extension, your practice CAT scores were not accurate.

In addition, there are a variety of other factors that likely impacted your performance. The process of taking (and reviewing) a CAT requires a significant amount of energy and effort - and takes time to 'recover' from. This is one of the reasons why you typically shouldn't take more than 1 CAT per week. By taking a CAT two days before your Official GMAT, there's a reasonable chance that you experienced some 'burn out' on Test Day. In addition, getting a poor night's sleep the night before the Exam would hurt most Test Takers - so that should not be overlooked.

Thankfully, the GMAT is a consistent, predictable Exam, so you CAN train to score at a higher level. In addition, now that you've faced the Official GMAT, you can use your knowledge of that experience to better plan out how you will face the GMAT the next time you take it. Raising a 560 to a 650+ will likely take at least another 2 months of consistent, guided study - and you'll have to make significant improvements to how you handle BOTH the Quant and Verbal sections.

1) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
2) What Schools are you planning to apply to?
3) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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Hi Karohpit,

You've named some specific Programs that you want to apply to, so it would help to know the exact application deadlines for each Program. That information would help to define your general 'timeframe' and amount of potential study time. If you were to limit yourself to just one month of additional study (and I want to reiterate - I do NOT think that that would be enough time for you to hit your score goal), then I would suggest that you stay focused on the Quant section. There are enough available points in that section for you to raise a 560 to a 650+ and Grad/Business Schools tend to place a greater emphasis on an applicant's Quant Scaled Score (that Scaled Score is generally seen as a 'measure' of how an applicant would handle the 'academic side' of the Program).

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