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14 Jul 2022, 06:21
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egmat ThatDudeKnows MartyTargetTestPrep can you please shed some light on the analysis of choice A in terms of:
1. How is the modifier 'who' ambigious? Clearly it modifies the closest noun
2. What is the issue here with the modifier "Named after...." modifi\ying a noun which is far? How does that matter if it has been separated clearly and meaning is also clear, necessary comma separators also intact
3. What is wrong with the usage of 'incuding' here? What is the correct usage and what is the whole concept around its usage and when whch form works?
4. In this whole question, how do we know that marcuss and not Karo defeated the champion. That seemed like a basic error and I started off with eliminating that
1. How is the modifier 'who' ambigious? Clearly it modifies the closest noun
2. What is the issue here with the modifier "Named after...." modifi\ying a noun which is far? How does that matter if it has been separated clearly and meaning is also clear, necessary comma separators also intact
3. What is wrong with the usage of 'incuding' here? What is the correct usage and what is the whole concept around its usage and when whch form works?
4. In this whole question, how do we know that marcuss and not Karo defeated the champion. That seemed like a basic error and I started off with eliminating that
14 Jul 2022, 13:05
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Dear IanStewart and RonPurewal,
I would be grateful if you could help better understand the problem with choice A. The OE rules out choice A for the reason that the modifier “who defeated…” is ambiguous because it may refer to Marcus Kann or Horatio Caro or both. However, I didn’t have such problem while reading it and naturally associated the modifier with Horatio Caro because a noun modifier usually modifies what is closest (especially when there is no a noun phrase), or else the sentence would be worded accordingly to mean a different thing.
Cannot the line of reasoning OE uses for ruling out A be used for ruling out OA as well? OA starts with: Included among the many variations of the Caro-Kann defense, named after Austrian player Marcus Kann… While reading this choice I had an impression that many variations can be named after Marcus Kann and Horatio Caro as well. So, here the modifier “named after…” seemed more ambiguous than the one in choice A.
To illustrate my concern better, I will juxtapose A and E:
A. Named after Marcus Kann and Horatio Caro, who defeated…
E. Included among the many variations of the Caro-Kann defense, named after…
When there is a noun phrase such as “many variations of the Caro-Kann defense”, the modifier "named after…" technically may refer to either the main noun “variations” or a dependent noun “defense”. Hence, the likelihood of ambiguity is higher, because variations too can be named after these guys. We don’t have such a noun phrase in A; instead, we have two independent nouns and in such case, the noun modifier "who defeated…" should naturally modify the closest. So, I like A more than E.
Many thanks for your comment on my thoughts in advance.
I would be grateful if you could help better understand the problem with choice A. The OE rules out choice A for the reason that the modifier “who defeated…” is ambiguous because it may refer to Marcus Kann or Horatio Caro or both. However, I didn’t have such problem while reading it and naturally associated the modifier with Horatio Caro because a noun modifier usually modifies what is closest (especially when there is no a noun phrase), or else the sentence would be worded accordingly to mean a different thing.
Cannot the line of reasoning OE uses for ruling out A be used for ruling out OA as well? OA starts with: Included among the many variations of the Caro-Kann defense, named after Austrian player Marcus Kann… While reading this choice I had an impression that many variations can be named after Marcus Kann and Horatio Caro as well. So, here the modifier “named after…” seemed more ambiguous than the one in choice A.
To illustrate my concern better, I will juxtapose A and E:
A. Named after Marcus Kann and Horatio Caro, who defeated…
E. Included among the many variations of the Caro-Kann defense, named after…
When there is a noun phrase such as “many variations of the Caro-Kann defense”, the modifier "named after…" technically may refer to either the main noun “variations” or a dependent noun “defense”. Hence, the likelihood of ambiguity is higher, because variations too can be named after these guys. We don’t have such a noun phrase in A; instead, we have two independent nouns and in such case, the noun modifier "who defeated…" should naturally modify the closest. So, I like A more than E.
Many thanks for your comment on my thoughts in advance.
